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Topic: Which state was the definitive one to start C&W steel gu |
Sherman Willden
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 9:27 am |
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From the '30s, '40s, or '50s, which state was the most influential with including the steel guitar in the music. The two that come to mind first are Tennessee and Texas. Was Texas first with the Western Swing music?
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Sherman L. Willden
It is easy to play the steel guitar. Playing so that the audience finds it pleasing is the difficult act.
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Zachary Walters
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Maryland
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 9:30 am
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Wouldn't Hawaii be high in the running?
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Dick Sexton
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Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 9:46 am Which State?
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Mitch Drumm
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Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 10:20 am
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I'd say Oklahoma, Texas, and the Territory of Hawaii, not necessarily in that order.
Certainly not Tennessee. Little to nothing going on there until after the war. |
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 10:50 am
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Re: steel guitar in western swing.
California was very important to the development of WS, initially because of the Dust Bowl immigration and then the influx of workers from the western states due to the wartime defense industry being in So. Cal.
Texas, Oklahoma, and California are the three early breeding grounds of Western Swing.
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 11:14 am
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| Zachary Walters wrote: |
| Wouldn't Hawaii be high in the running? |
He defined it in the era of electric so that opens it up considerably, but starting it, yes it's Hawaii, otherwise Herb nailed it for WS. |
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Allen Kentfield
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Texas, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 11:24 am
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I think I heard that the guy that designed tne Gibson Multichord was from Connecticut. (1940?)
If you're talking about pedal steel. |
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David Mason
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Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 11:33 am
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I immediately thought California, just because of Paul Bigsby & Leo Fender, Rickenbacker & Carvin. We forget that in the pre-internet, even pre-TV days (  ), proximity was crucial. You had to have some instrument to play it ON, and you had to hear players live. Maybe Bobbe Seymour or somebody even OLDER (  ) can enlighten us, but I imagine that in Texas and Tennessee, the early 8-string and pedal steels were more apocryphal than available.
http://www.bigsbyguitars.com/vibe/?page_id=3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickenbacker |
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Sherman Willden
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Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 12:06 pm
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With my apologies, my thought process was more towards both kinds of music, country and western. Probably Chicago with the jazz performers in the '30s had the steel in it. I need more thought into the subject line.
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Sherman L. Willden
It is easy to play the steel guitar. Playing so that the audience finds it pleasing is the difficult act. |
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Cal Sharp
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the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 12:59 pm
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I always thought South Bend, IN was the epicenter of steel guitar. That's where Buddy's from, and who's been more influential than he? The Emmons prototype steel guitar was made there. Herb Remington and Sneaky Pete are from South Bend, too. Of course, they all had to leave to make their marks, and I bet they're glad they're gone; they had 25 inches of snow up there Saturday.
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Billy Tonnesen
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R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 2:06 pm
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| Bands like Bob Wills, Milton Brown, etc. started refining Western Swing in the 30's. Bob Wills was almost on tour constantly in the Mid-West and West, and spread the style over all the States he touched. |
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Cal Sharp
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the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 7:28 pm
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Hey Cal, they got almost 40 inches of snow by the end of it...more coming tonight and tomorrow!
What if you determined the most influential WS steel players from the 50's and 60's, and then looked back at their influences? You might see a clear picture of what state(s) were involved. Just a thought.
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Cal Sharp
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the farm in Kornfield Kounty, TN
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 7:52 pm
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| What if you determined the most influential WS steel players from the 50's and 60's, and then looked back at their influences? You might see a clear picture of what state(s) were involved. Just a thought. |
Herb didn't drop any names in his previous post, but I'm sure he will. Joaquin Murphy et al. and where they came from. I find it intriguing that Herb and Buddy came from such an unlikely place as South Bend. Maybe it was the Chicago influence, as Sherman mentioned. And Cal City, in Buddy's case. Nashville has always been way too square to dig Western Swing; Buddy knocked everybody out here playing commercial E9th, for the most part, and Chalker was under appreciated when he was here.
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Allen Kentfield
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2011 10:23 am
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Wasn't Jimmie Rodgers the first to use steel guitar on a commercial country record? That would have been late 20's, early 30's.
Jimmie was from Mississippi and recorded in Bristol, Tenn., along with the Carter family. I think his steel player was from Hawaii and was on some of ET's first sessions, too. Possibly Lani McIntire?
A side note; Ernest played Jimmie's Martin D-28 then, a gift from Jimmie's widow. |
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