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Oliver James
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 9:35 pm |
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| I was wondering if the electric guitar part on this is a steel guitar. I am using a standard e9 setup and seem to have it figured out for the most part. I think Jerry Garcia is on this track so the steel would make sense.Does anybody know anything about this tune (by Crosby, Stills, Nash. Thanks. |
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Pete Finney
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Posted 6 Jan 2011 9:53 pm
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| I don't think there's any steel on that song, or anywhere on that album for that matter; just multi-tracked Stephen Stills guitars. Stills also overdubbed all the bass and keyboard parts on the album if I remember correctly; Garcia didn't play steel until their next album, and then just on one song... |
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Oliver James
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San Diego, California
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 11:14 am It's a mystery
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| Pete, thanks for the reply to my question. I thought that I read somewhere that Garcia added steel to Marrakesh Express, but your answer makes more sense that he didn't come along til later. Having said that, there's an electric part on that tune that uses an open E tuning. Whether it's a lap, peddle, or just plain electric bottleneck, I don't know, but it is a slide. Thanks for your time. |
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Ron Davis
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 2:22 pm
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Steve Stills usually uses an open E tuning on his acoustics. EEEEBE. Uses that on Suite Judy Blue Eyes, etc. Not sure if he ever used it on electric, though.
Love that band...
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 9:11 pm
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Not sure what effects were available in '68-'69 when this was recorded, but it sounds an awful lot like an electric with a uni-vibe to me.
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 9:31 pm
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I don't have good enough recall, but there was a time in "our music" when Pedal Steel Guitar was used as an 'uncliched" "sound effect". JG was a master at it. He seemed to even slip in a few "cliches" too, it they fit the song. I'm trying to think if "Helpless" had a PSG on it, but it sure had something similar. Zeppelin, Elton, and many others had some of the best uncliched psg IMHO, besides CSNY.
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 9:49 pm
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"Helpless" has an electric with a volume pedal. I read somewhere that Stills used a Sho~Bud volume pedal back then.
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Ron Davis
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 10:50 pm
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| Not sure what effects were available in '68-'69 when this was recorded, but it sounds an awful lot like an electric with a uni-vibe to me. |
Chris, Uni-Vibes had to be out then.
Hendrix used one at Woodstock, with Band Of Gypsys, etc...
'Course, you probably know that.
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 9 Jan 2011 10:57 pm
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Oh ya, that's right....I always have trouble keeping track of when certain pedals came into the fray.
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Oliver James
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San Diego, California
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 9:49 am great comments
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| those are some great observations, especially regarding the univibe and Still's open tuning. Probably the only one that knows the answer is Still's himself. Wish I had the mojo to get in touch and ask him. |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 10:35 am
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I've known this song for a long time, but it never occured to me that the fills were played by a guitar. I thought it was an organ or some kind of moog synthesiser.  As Pete Finney said it's a double tracked guitar playing the melodies. It's nice to listen to, because one is on the right, the other on the left channel. I find a similarity in sound (not in style) on the solo of "Special Care" with the long sustaining notes. |
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Oliver James
From:
San Diego, California
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 11:17 am I guess I was wrong
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I'll have to check out that tune "Special Care". thanks for mentioning it.
If that's a double tracked guitar (on Marrakesh Express) doing those melodies, it sure is on the money. Guess that's why they call Stills "Captain Many Hands". |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 11:25 am
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The lead guitar tone on "Special Care" is outstanding and very hi-fi sounding for '68. Last Time Around is their best record, in my opinion, even if they weren't all there together in the recording. Stills is really coming into his own. It's a great example of his transition from the Springfield to CSN. It also has great Young and Furay moments, but Stills is the main main on that album. Stephen Stills is my favourite lead guitarist, hands down. "Pretty Girl Why," "Four Days Gone,", "Questions",.....the album is an incredible Stills tour de force.
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Posted 10 Jan 2011 12:56 pm
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"Pretty Girl Why" what a good song! I like the little 12 string lick at the end of each verse. I once had a lucky moment when I could find out how it's played.
Sorry for the topic drift. But not to many people know about them. |
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Oliver James
From:
San Diego, California
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Posted 11 Jan 2011 10:50 am special care
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| thanks for turning me on to this album. Was not familiar with it, nor "Special Care". Evidently the Springfield had a reunion for one of the Bridge concerts recently. That would have been good! |
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