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Topic: 6th string lower to F# ? |
Richard Tipple
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Dec 2010 7:46 pm |
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| I dont have this change on my Rains, but was wondering from those who do, how much do you use it. |
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 23 Dec 2010 8:10 pm
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How to quantify that... 
Less that the A & B pedal and E raise & lower levers, but more than the B to Bb lever. So, quite a bit actually.
For completeness: I do lower both 3d and 6th string G# to F#, which means 3d string breaks early. No such problem with 6th string. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 23 Dec 2010 8:35 pm
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Of my 6 levers on E9th, it is probably my 3rd most used lever behind the E raises and lowers. It's escecially handy with the split tuner to give a G on string 6 when you hit the B pedal and the lever. I really couldn't imagine myself playing without it.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 3:05 am
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To add to what Richard said. I too find this one of my most used knee levers. My RKL raises first string a whole tone, second string a half tone and lowers the 6th string a full tone and splits with the B pedal.
Along with the minor that you can get with a split (that can also be considered a minor 9th and at the I chord position it would be an IV minor 9th).
I also use this in combination with lowering the E strings and at the I position this gives a V chord. It also allows the common V to I slide ending at the I position.
I have several licks that I use with the full tone lower too. |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 3:32 am
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| Jack Stoner wrote: |
...one of my most used knee levers. My RKL raises first string a whole tone, second string a half tone and lowers the 6th string a full tone and splits with the B pedal.
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Jack,
I love this change as well, but am having a hard time getting it to work just right on my S12. I have the top 1 and 2 working but have removed the 6 whole tone until I can get it right (it only lowers a half step).
I miss the 6 whole lower especially with the E lower change on 12 strings Ext. E9.
Clete |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 4:58 am
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| Clete, are you using a .020 plain string? |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 7:00 am
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| To add to what Jack as saying- using a wound string as your 6th string makes for a very long lower. |
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Wesley Medlen
From:
LaCygne,Ks
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 7:13 am 6th string lower to F#
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My BMI SD10 does not have the split but that 6th lower 1/2 tone I use a lot for minors
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Tony Glassman
From:
The Great Northwest
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 8:39 am
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I really miss that change, but I had to give it up to make my new S-12U set-up work.  |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 10:40 am
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| Wouldn't be without it! Had it since '72 when I made 2 more knees for my ShoBud D-10. I have it on all my guitars, S-10s D-10s and the Uni 12. |
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Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 12:26 pm
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Jack,
I am using a .020 plain. Have also tried a .022 plain.
Clete |
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Dave Yustin
From:
Vermont, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 12:29 pm Lever use
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| My old Marlen's RKL raises 1 to G# and lowers 6 to F#. Both changes are useful and make some licks easier to manage. It's a bit of an education to get used to setting up strings that both raise and lower on a Marlen pull release, but they work and sound great once you learn how. |
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Mark van Allen
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Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 12:46 pm
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I could just repeat Jack's post word for word.
Most used for me after E's raise and lower.
The chordal stuff is great, I especially love the richness of the V at no pedals position.
I also love the sound of the note dropping and returning in melodic use and in harmony lines. Just a great sound. |
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Dickie Whitley
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 12:58 pm
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| OK, stupid question on my part probably, but is this similiar to what PF does with his F# to G# on 1, to E on 2, and F# to G# on 7? At least to some extent? |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 9:20 pm
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I could never live without it.
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 10:31 pm
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I have it but rarely use it to get the F# note.
I do use it with the B pedal to get a G...nice for minor and dominant 7th sounds. I also raise the first string to a G on the same lever, which I use a lot more than the 6th lower.
Also, I've never liked the tone of the lowered 6th string, and it loses a lot of sustain. This seems to happen on most guitars I've tried the change on. (I use a .022 plain)
It does have its uses for some chordal/harmony stuff, but it's my least used E9th change.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 11:13 pm
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| OK, stupid question on my part probably, but is this similiar to what PF does with his F# to G# on 1, to E on 2, and F# to G# on 7? At least to some extent? |
Yup. Pretty much. Some players put the F# change on the same lever as the first and second string raises, as (at least for me) I don't think I ever play those strings with the 6th string lower.
As Mark was saying, the melody note movement on the 6th string is great, also moving back up 2 frets to the A&B pedal position. And, you can get the same lick in the no pedals position that you get when letting off the A pedal with the B pedal engaged. The most (over)used lick in steel guitar history.
A question on the string gauge issue. I have always used a .022 plain, and truthfully, have no complaints, but would a .020 have more or less travel when lowering the string? What affect would it have on the B pedal raise?
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2010 5:34 am
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I have the change as well, but oddball that I am, I have it on a pedal and always have. It is probably my third most used pedal behind my A&B. I use the C pedal a lot of course, but use this one as much or more. I would be lost without it.
I have used a 5 pedal E9 copedent since I started in the 70's. At that time, no other steel player I knew had it on a lever. I don't think it was common change at that time. Not knowing any better I put it on the 5th pedal, and its stayed there for 33 years.
The pedal position affords a lot of quickness and speed picking stuff that would be near impossible on a lever, but the added reach of the 5th pedal makes it somewhat harder to have nice smooth chordal transitions.
Its a trade off, but I will keep it where its at... Old dog and all that....
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