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Topic: single coil blade pick-up |
Dean Holman
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Branson MO
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Posted 24 Nov 2010 12:02 am |
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| I've seen a single coil pick-up made with a blade instead of the magnets on a Jackson guitar. I'm wondering if anyone is using these pick-ups and how they compare to single coils with the magnets. Just curious if there would really be much difference. The Jackson guitar that I'm refering to is Bobbe Seymore's first Jackson. I'm assuming Jackson makes these pick-ups but I wonder if anyone else had made these pick-ups. |
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 24 Nov 2010 3:19 pm
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| Has this thread been posted before? I'm sure someone has an analogy or an opinion. |
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Nov 2010 4:00 pm
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I'll kick this one to the top. Lots of un-discussed material here.
What number magnet would you use? Alnico 5? 3? What type of steel for the blade?
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 25 Nov 2010 8:17 pm
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| I'm not sure what kind of blade but I love the sound of my Lawrence 705 pick-ups. I'm assuming they use a stainless steel blade. I know George L's use an iron blade on some of their pick-ups. It might be neat to experiment with the different blades. I've never really been sold on the fact that magnets sound better than blades. Maybe a different sound but not necessarily better. I have only seen these pick-ups on a Jackson and I don't know if they have made very many but I thought it was interesting. |
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 16 Dec 2010 5:42 pm
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Okay...
I have a Jackson guitar.. the stock pickup sounds great but it has VERY little output...
I love the single coil sound and do not freak out about the "hum" like some do...
But with their "quick change" system I wanted to have at least one pickup to play with...
I talked to David Jackson and he said he had one pickup that had been laying around that had been setup for the system a "Bill Lawrence.... the one that is the best for Pedal Steel"
He sent it to me and I just got around to putting it in last week... it has 2 "rails"
It sounds great.... a little less 'sweet' of a growl then the stock single but more balanced, WAY more gain (harmonics are easy again) and a great tone overall with less highs that allow me to use the EQ on my amp more (fender tube amps)
I THOUGHT this was a BL 710 cause the BL site has very little info on the pickups.... so I was kinda guessing....
I am purchasing a SHow Pro that has a BL that teh seller (thinks is a BL 710) but it has pole pieces.. two rows...
I emailed Jeff at Show Pro and he said that it IS a 710 in the guitar (with pole pieces) and that he had told the Jacksons that the rail one is like a BL but made by a different company but still a great pickup...
Maybe some BL pickups were made with his name and not hand made by him? Still a little confused myself truthfully...
Dean is your 705 ONE BLADE or Two? Mine is two.. I will try to upload pictures if I can.... also might send the pic to Jeff S. to see if he definitely is ID'ing it right...
Hope this helps? or at least adds to the discussing...
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Dean Holman
From:
Branson MO
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Posted 20 Dec 2010 6:51 pm
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| I use the Lawrence 705 pick-ups, the newer one's. They are still designed and made like the older 705's except for the black wrapping around the newer one's. Some guys say that the newer one's don't sound the same as the older one's. I've played some guitars with the older 705's, and I don't think there's that big of difference. I know a lot of guys using the newer 705's and love them. Are you saying that bill Lawrence has made these single blade pick-ups? If you will look on Bobbe Seymour's website, he has pictures of his first Jackson guitar and you can see the pick-up that I'm talking about in some of those pictures. I was hoping someone on the forum had some info about these pick-ups or was at least as curious about them as I was. I figured as many players that get on the forum that are always looking for different pick-up options, would have inquired about these pick-ups. I'm only wondering what difference in tone there would be in using a blade instead of the magnets. |
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 20 Dec 2010 7:06 pm
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Here is my conversation with jeff from show pro
The 705 has rails, but is made by another company. I tried to explain to them, it wasn't by Bill anymore. It is a good one though!
Yea... I just put a Lawrence into the guitar I have now... David Jackson THOUGHT it was a 710 or 705 but it is a rail pickup so im not too sure.. BL website has VERY little info on the pickups!  |
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2010 11:59 pm
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Bigsby pickups. Blankenship pickups. Some Blantons, too maybe? Maybe some Wrights?
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Eddie Lane
From:
Branson, Missouri, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2010 11:09 am
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Dean,
You would sound good using any old pickup. Merry Christmas!!
Eddie |
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Tim Sergent
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Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2010 10:29 pm
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Hey, Dean,
Harry Jackson wound me one to what he said was the old Fender specs I guess it was. About 11,200. He wound it as a blade. I don't know if that's a fair comparison or not. I used it on the Jimmy Fallon Show a year or so ago. I though it wouldn't have any low end at all, but it didn't sound too bad. A bit bright. I think I would like to have him wind me one at about 15,000. I know that is no help at all to your question, but I thought I would chime in since I have one. |
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Steve Waltz
From:
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Posted 22 Dec 2010 10:55 am
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Blade pickups can be made with the blade being a magnet or the blade can be metal with magnets getting to the blade in one way or another. Bigsbys have iron blades attached to the pickup bobbin as one piece, the magents are mounted on to the bobbin on the sides so that the magnetism is sent through the bobbin up and out the blade. Here's a balde pickup that I made. It is wound to about 4.5K. The magnets are alnico V bars which attach like a charlie christian pickup as in they bump into the blade and travel backwards under the neck about 3 inches. The coil is short but wide and #40 wire was used. I don't hve a recording of it so I guess there isn't a point to bring it up other than to show there are different ways of doing it.
I have heard that a blade can make a pickup have more of a horn sound.
Jason Lollar is making Charlie Christian eight string and can make ten string models but I think they can be in the $200 or more range.
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Bob Lawrence
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Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 7:52 pm
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Here is a picture & spec sheet of the original Bill Lawrence 705 pickup. Note the silver casing. The newer 705 pickups are manufactured by another company that purchased(or at lease own the technology at this point) the technology from BL and they are manufactured with a black casing. It's a humbucker design thus it requires two coils of wire and two blades.
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Josh Yenne
From:
Sonoma California
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 8:25 pm
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| Nice bob. Thanks. That is great! |
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Bob Lawrence
From:
Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2010 9:34 pm
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Hi Josh,
The original 705 works excellent on a Franklin guitar(and many others of course). In 2007 I had a chat with Paul Franklin in St. Louis and we discussed the pickups that I was using on my Franklin guitar at that time. He suggested that I try a 705 on it. I had a 705 in my collection that my dad used on a Sho-Bud many moons ago. I had to make an adaptor to fit it on the on the Franklin but that was fairly easy to do. I used it for a while and really liked it but unfortunately it quit on me. It had an incredible sound and of course no hum.
All the best to you and your family over the holiday's.
Bob |
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