| Author |
Topic: Franklin G# to B change |
Ray Kedge
From:
Middlesex, England
|
Posted 14 Nov 2010 9:40 am |
|
If any of you guys have that change on your guitar,what has it given you with regards to chords licks ect. I have the G# to E change but only use it now and again.Thinking the G# to B might be more useful.
_________________
Bennett D10 8x7 Bennett SD10 4x6 Williams D10 8x5 Dobro 88 square neck NV 112 Hilton VP DD6 Delay |
|
|
 |
C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
|
Posted 14 Nov 2010 11:35 am Re: Franklin G# to B change
|
|
| Ray Kedge wrote: |
| If any of you guys have that change on your guitar,what has it given you with regards to chords licks ect. I have the G# to E change but only use it now and again.Thinking the G# to B might be more useful. |
Buddy Emmons said one time,
"Jimmy Crawford has raised (and lowered) each string to its mechanical limits."
And so it is today, with Paul's incredible ear; following the same path. Bless his heart.
It is called "music". And keyboard players and guitar players, et-al, have been doing this forever. But from the "Hawaiian Guitar's" inception, our instrument has been limited in its ability to resolve notes under and over sustained notes.
Looks lack those days are coming to a close.
Praise Jesus, for the BE's, JC's and the PF's and all other musicians who are not content with the "status Quo"; rather they seek better and greater ways to make life sweeter and "more better".
I will close out my endeavors on the SGF forum with this:
Many years ago when the late Fred Trogdon (early employee of Emmons) came up to me smiling from here to eternity; and said,
"Look at this half-stop I came up with!"
He had spring loaded the raise finger (P/P 2nd string), against its forward cabinet stop. Then he tuned the raise screw (end plate) for the half-stop, and the lower screw for the full stop.
"Great huh?", he exclaimed, still smilin' from ear to ear.
I said, "Suppose you ever want to raise that 2nd string?"
This was his retort! 
"There will NEVER come a time when you will raise that string, since you already have the E, F and F# on the 4th string!" 
Yeah right! 
c.
_________________
A broken heart + † = a new heart. |
|
|
|
Dickie Whitley
|
Posted 14 Nov 2010 1:08 pm
|
|
| Ray, I am considering putting that change on my next steel. Hopefully Paul or someone will pop in and give some ideas on how they use it. |
|
|
|
Rich Peterson
From:
Moorhead, MN
|
Posted 14 Nov 2010 4:13 pm Re: Franklin G# to B change
|
|
| C Dixon wrote: |
I will close out my endeavors on the SGF forum with this:
|
Carl, surely you are not leaving us? |
|
|
|
Dickie Whitley
|
Posted 14 Nov 2010 7:30 pm
|
|
| I hope he's not but I think I am done here. A sincere thank you to all those who took the time to reply to any of my previous posts. Your kindness will not be forgotten. |
|
|
|
Ray Kedge
From:
Middlesex, England
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 9:49 am Franklin G# to B change
|
|
A bit suprised,not much response to this thread,I have gone back over about 100 pages and found nothing but a line from Paul who said it gave him some cool changes for todays music!! but nothing more.Somebody must have this change on their guitar apart from the man himself so why did they put it on.
_________________
Bennett D10 8x7 Bennett SD10 4x6 Williams D10 8x5 Dobro 88 square neck NV 112 Hilton VP DD6 Delay |
|
|
|
Jonathan Cullifer
From:
Gallatin, TN
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 10:42 am
|
|
I have both the G# to B and G# to E on mine on LKV on both of my guitars. I pick which one I want.
Neither is a particularly long throw because the nature of the G# string. It works perfectly on my Carter.
I don't use either one too terribly much. However, both are good for smoothly connecting notes. They don't give me much in terms of chords because their notes are already elsewhere. As a result, they are probably the least used E9th changes I have, but at the right time, they can be useful. Both sound good at times. |
|
|
|
David Hartley
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 11:15 am Hi
|
|
Funny this thread is on here because I was going to ask about this topic tonight.
G# down to E? Is it a long throw on a pedal ? Is a 22 plain ok or would a 20 plain be less of a throw? And lastlyDoes it come back to pitch OK? I was thinking of putting it on my pedal 4 which already raises 1 and 2 to G# and E.
What do you reckon. There's a couple of songs it would work in, I know ?.
David |
|
|
|
Ray Kedge
From:
Middlesex, England
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 11:43 am
|
|
Iv'e had the G# to E change on for some time, and it is a really nice change to have ,but it is I feel a lick lever change so I had it on it's own LKV.I had a 022" plain and it went down fine and came back to pitch ok but it takes a fair bit of travel to get there another reason to have it on it's own lever.Whether you will get the drop in conjuction with two raises on the same pedal might be difficult.
_________________
Bennett D10 8x7 Bennett SD10 4x6 Williams D10 8x5 Dobro 88 square neck NV 112 Hilton VP DD6 Delay |
|
|
|
Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 11:56 am
|
|
| I raise my G# to B, 6th. string and my F# to G# ,7th. string using my 5th.pedal. 5th string raise,B to C# using my 4th. pedal, full E6th. open string 3to string 12. Joe |
|
|
|
Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 11:59 am
|
|
I have got the G# to B raise on pedal 1, along with some other useful changes like lowering string 3 a half tone and raising string 9 a whole tone. 
_________________
I know my playing is a bit pitchy, but at least my tone sucks |
|
|
|
Jonathan Cullifer
From:
Gallatin, TN
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 6:15 pm
|
|
The G# to B is a shorter throw with a plain 6th than a 7th string F# to G#. I think G# to E is too. I've never had a problem with returns to pitch on either of my guitars. .022 is fine. I use .020 for tonal reasons.
Try it. It should work on almost any modern guitar. On my Carter, it took about an hour to install both changes and tweak them to my liking. |
|
|
|
Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
|
Posted 15 Nov 2010 10:31 pm
|
|
The G# to E will return sharp on every keyed guitar except a Carter. And maybe the Mullen G2. Never tried that change on a G2. Even on the Carter it's like 2 to 3 cents sharp. But considered acceptable. So many of you will need a lower return compensator for string 6.Assuming returning to pitch is important to you. And, it depends on how you use the change. AS soon as you touch the B pedal it will true itself. When that string is voiced on the bottom or top. You can of course true it up with the bar. But when it's voiced in the middle of a chord. Well, you're just out of tune. Just my opinion.
bb |
|
|
|
Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
|
Posted 16 Nov 2010 12:37 pm
|
|
| FWIW, somewhere on this Forum. Maybe in the tab section. Paul wrote out a 1/2 dozen or so tabs for the G# to B change. As I remember. His point was to show the change had uses besides just the unison effect.Have fun searching. If you have this change installed? It's likely worth your time. |
|
|
|
Clete Ritta
From:
San Antonio, Texas
|
Posted 17 Nov 2010 7:09 pm Re: Franklin G# to B change
|
|
Good thread!
Isn't Franklin's raise to B on the 6th string G#?
I am eager to try this raise after watching Barry Gaskell with the change on a heel pedal.
Clete |
|
|
|
Jonathan Cullifer
From:
Gallatin, TN
|
Posted 17 Nov 2010 9:08 pm
|
|
Yes Clete, it's the 6th string.
In another thread, a video of Lee Ann Womack's version of "The King of Broken Hearts" had another use of the change. With A & B down, playing strings 4, 5, and 6, the 6th string is raised to the B. I don't know what chord that would be, but it definitely fit in the song. |
|
|
|
