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Topic: ShoBud pedal stop screws? |
David Hartley
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Posted 18 Sep 2010 3:16 am |
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Had anyone got any of those pedal travel stop screws with the nylon tips?
I used to have them on my old LDG.
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 18 Sep 2010 6:47 am
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David, I have those stop thingies in two shapes:
One, A little hollow tube about 1/4" long that you screw onto the stop screw.
The other one is actually what we call an acorn nut over here. It is a nut that is closed in one end and rounded. You can most likely get these at your local hardware store. They are threaded to your screw size and thread configuration (for example # 6 or # 8.)
This might have a different designation in UK.
If you cant find them there, let me know and I'll send you some.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 18 Sep 2010 11:29 am
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Hi John 
Yeah, I know that mcmaster-carr has them but they would add up to something quite unreasonable considering that David would have to buy them at a high price there, then import them to the UK with duties, taxes, shipping, brokerage fees etc etc. Just wouldn't make sense for a few small pieces.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2010 11:41 am
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| Bent, didn't notice he was across the pond. And McMCarr probably sells them by the gross. But the UK is on the durn metric system too. But,,, perhaps he can find a supplier over there????? Me,, being cheap,,, I would look for some sort of nylon rod, get out my taps, and make my own. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Sep 2010 6:12 pm Sho~Bud Nylon Stop-Screws
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David; For many years I've had actual Nylon Slot-Screws, which I think they used on their Finger-Tip model PSG's. I have 6 of them along with the metal lock-nut. They measure 5/8” long and I'm guessing they are about a #6 or possibly #8 screw, with a 32-thread. It really doesn't matter what the numbers are, because; they are definitely Sho-Bud components. With my drill-size guage, the screws slip through a 5/32” hole. If you can use them, I'll send them to you as a ‘gift’, if you'd care to return the Postage! I have no use for them. _ _ _ I also have (20) Nylon Slot-Screws that measure 1”x3/16” or 1”x#10:24. You can have them also, if you can use them! Just let me know and they'll be in the mail on Mon. morning!
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 6:47 am
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Try an 8-32 nylon screw. That will quiet up the "clicking".
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 8:51 am
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These (6) 8x32 nylon-screws came from the finger-tip Sho-Bud that I once owned from new. I removed them (10-pedals) and replaced with metal screws. Over the years, I used (4)-screws for something else. That's why I only have 6-screws left since 1968.
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My T-10 Remington Steelmaster |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 9:41 am
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John,
When did they start using nylon machine screws in Fingertips? Mine uses Allen head screws with springs on them for the pedal stops. There ain't no nylon nowhere on my guitar, and all the pics I have collected of Fingertips don't use nylon screws, although I plan on restoring the guitar and adding some nylon parts in other places. I would have thought that the small diameter, 6 and 8 screws would wear out fairly quickly???
James,
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 10:18 am
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John, mine is like yours--no nylon anywhere as stock parts. My '67 'tip that I sold awhile back also had metal. I am going to try some nylon to see how it holds up. That will quiet down the pedal "clicking".
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 10:38 am
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Hi James!
I think the allen head machine screws with a nylon tip, or acorn nut will hold up a lot better than a 6/8-32 nylon screw will. I've had quite a bit of experience with that size nylon screw, and they bend and break pretty easily. The larger diameter, and heft of the tip or acorn nut will hold up much better, imo. And the pedal stop screws see a lot of force applied to them,,,, maybe more force than anywhere else on the guitar. Specially if ya gotz heavy, pedal-mashin' feet!
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 10:51 am
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Well, I'll try them in that application and see how they do, but you are probably right. I do know, that acorn nuts need a little too much room. The long allen set screws with the nylon tip built into them are ideal, but pretty pricey, unless some one has a supplier with friendly price.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 11:34 am
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Can't ya just make somethin' James? They'd be the least complicated part you make! And ya don't have to polish them! 8^)
Edited to add; 6/8-32 acorn nuts are pretty small, but you could just run the flat side against the sander, and make them shorter. A few threads remaining should be all you need. They're not holding anything together, just acting as a quiet stop. |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 1:04 pm
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| John Billings wrote: |
Can't ya just make somethin' James? They'd be the least complicated part you make! And ya don't have to polish them! 8^)
Edited to add; 6/8-32 acorn nuts are pretty small, but you could just run the flat side against the sander, and make them shorter. A few threads remaining should be all you need. They're not holding anything together, just acting as a quiet stop. |
Sure, I could make something, but that would take the sport out of it. 
Good idea on the sander deal.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Sep 2010 5:31 pm
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I received shipment of my Finger~Tip very early ’67, because; I moved to Nashville in April ’67. It was Powder~Blue with Black~Sparkle Cabinet-Top. (10p & ±5k)
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<marquee> Go~Daddy~Go, (No), Go, It's your Break Time</marquee> L8R, jb
My T-10 Remington Steelmaster |
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David Hartley
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Posted 20 Sep 2010 10:21 pm Hi everyone.
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I like the acorn nut idea. I could grind the hex off on a bench grinder and put a little flat on the dome without taking too much off. I will try and get some, James? To save me taking one of these off the steel as a pattern, what is the thread size on these?
I have the BIC pen ends on at the moment and they work well but find I am tweaking the nylon tuners out a bit every now and then so I assume they are squashing up a bit as the plastic is soft. It has quietened it down a lot though. After this is solved I have the very lively pick up to sort out then It will be a perfect bud. It plays great but I just have these 2 things to sort out
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Sep 2010 10:53 pm
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I find it hard to believe that a stop-screw on a pedal could hit the stop hard enough to make an audible sound. I'm inclined to think that the noise is coming from another source. The pedal-travel is too short to cause that noise! I would tend to think that your noise is coming from the combination of the linkage and the changer hook-up. There are too many moving-parts to a Finger-Tip changer to remain completely silent! I don't think the stop-screws have any connection to the cause of the noise! Probably only you in a quiet room can actually hear the noise!
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<marquee> Go~Daddy~Go, (No), Go, It's your Break Time</marquee> L8R, jb
My T-10 Remington Steelmaster |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:17 am
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David, That takes an 8-32 screw. Here's the best thing going from McMaster-Carr. It's a 5/8" stainless set screw with a nylon tip built in.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#set-screws/=8xwjk4
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:25 am
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Some times the pedal rod slaps around when it's slack, especially if there is some wear in the hole, adding to "mechanical noise". Here's a good way to quiet it up. Cut a small felt pad and super glue it in the places the pictures indicate. Make sure you clean off any oil so your glue will stick. The felt pad works too, if you do not have a set screw with a nylon tip, as indicated in my previous post.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:28 am
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James,
Ya know that stuff ya dip toll handles in to rubber coat them? I wonder if dippin' the set screw tips into that stuff would work? Might not be strong enough to last,,, Hmmmmm,,, There are other products like Castolite too. Silicone caulk,,,, |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:33 am
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| John Bechtel wrote: |
| I find it hard to believe that a stop-screw on a pedal could hit the stop hard enough to make an audible sound. I'm inclined to think that the noise is coming from another source. The pedal-travel is too short to cause that noise! I would tend to think that your noise is coming from the combination of the linkage and the changer hook-up. There are too many moving-parts to a Finger-Tip changer to remain completely silent! I don't think the stop-screws have any connection to the cause of the noise! Probably only you in a quiet room can actually hear the noise! |
I've seen alot of the shobuds give mechanical noise, and I know much of it comes from the set screw and a slack pedalrod. I know this, because I have made them quiet using the simple methods above.
Yes Fingertips can be noisy, but they can also be made nice and quiet with a little effort. I'm playing a '63 'tip these days, and it's very quiet. It wasn't that way when I started on it, though.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:36 am
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James,
Ya know that stuff ya dip toll handles in to rubber coat them? I wonder if dippin' the set screw tips into that stuff would work? Might not be strong enough to last,,, Hmmmmm,,, There are other products like Castolite too. Silicone caulk,,,, |
Why not just get a setscrew built for the job, with the nylon tip, like I mentioned above? I just ordered some, and they are about 72 cents each.
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"Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement"~old cowboy proverb.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:38 am
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James,
Next time you're at the drugstore, go to the Dr. Scholl's display, and check out their product called "Moleskin." It's a very thin felt-like pad, backed by some seriously tenacious adhesive. Comes as a sheet, that you cut to the size needed. I've used the stuff on my Hipshot guitars for years. Lasts forever, and quiets things down nicely. Don't know why it skipped my mind,,,,,,,,,, |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Sep 2010 6:45 am
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James,
I didn't realize you could buy such a limited number from McCarr! I figured you'd have to buy, like,, a hunnert of them suckers at a time. Since you can get small orders, that's definitely the way to go! Check out the Moleskin though. You'll find lotsa uses for it! |
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