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Topic: Is there a term for this type of phrasing? |
Scott Walker
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Santa Cruz, California
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 5:21 pm |
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Hey All! Is there a term for this 5 note sequence? You hear it in all types of music, but in Pedal Steel its tucked in all over. Its usually at the end of a gospel tune, and kind of adds that tension and resolve feel to the song. Im just wondering what people call it, for reference.
Heres a link to David Hartleys Amazing Grace. The phrase in in several places, but easy to point out the ending one at 2: 45.
Heres the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAlydSxj--s&feature=channel
Thanks!
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Steve Alcott
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New York, New York, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 5:56 pm
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| It's a 1 chord to 1 sus 4 (B pedal) to 1, then release B and lower the third (6th string whole step lower) and release adding B pedal and releasing to resolve. In Ab, the notes would be C, Db, C, Bb, C, Db, C. |
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Scott Walker
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Santa Cruz, California
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 6:04 pm
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Cool, thanks Steve. Im just wondering if there is a generic term used to describe this type of move. Its kind of a dumb question, but just wondering what people say when they refer to this type of lick.
Scott |
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 6:15 pm
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| As far as I know there's no name for it; it's a pretty standard lick. Hal Rugg probably had a funny/off color name for it-his book for steel shows was a lot of fun to play and read.. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 6:20 pm
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Scott, I don't know if this is a term but I call it a "Church Ending" It puts me in mind of the old organ playing the ending to a hymn..I am sure I heard this phrase as a kid in church. I simply love that phrase.
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 6:33 pm
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| Bent, that's a good name for it. |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 6:56 pm
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listen to Bach,pipe organ its all over the place.
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Scott Walker
From:
Santa Cruz, California
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Posted 7 Aug 2010 9:27 pm
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Thanks Bent! Its totally the church ending. I didnt know if there was a more universal term for it, but the church ending works for me.
Heres another one of my favs by David Hartley implementing the Church ending in "Your still the one" at 1:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iat2f4K1-aw |
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Jonathan Shacklock
From:
London, UK
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 12:47 am
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| Pretty sure the church ending is called a plagal cadence. |
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Eugene Cole
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near Washington Grove, MD, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 12:57 am
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| Jonathan Shacklock wrote: |
| Pretty sure the church ending is called a plagal cadence. |
Jonathan nailed it! |
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 1:01 am
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The Amen cadenze
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Scott Walker
From:
Santa Cruz, California
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 8:31 am
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Thanks everyone! I knew there had to be some kind of proper explanation. From what I see, from poking around the WWW, ALL of the terms are right. AND there is more to it. Thanks for the direction on this subject!
(a link to some beginner cadence theory, http://smu.edu/totw/cadences.htm)
Thanks Bent for the link, great song and tone!
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Michael Robertson
From:
Ventura, California. USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 9:19 am Thanks a ton
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So that’s what I have been playing all this time.
A “Plagal Cadence”/ “Amen Cadence Ending”.
Man, the guys in the band are gona love me when I drop that term on them.
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Aug 2010 3:07 pm
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| Scott Walker wrote: |
Thanks Bent for the link, great song and tone!
Scott |
Scott, you're welcome. I am glad you liked the tone.
Just a little self-plug here: That is the steel I built for Dave last year. He loves it. I am proud and happy to see it on the www
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Pat Comeau
From:
New Brunswick, Canada
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 12 Aug 2010 5:22 am
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| Bent Romnes wrote: |
Scott, my buddy Dave Seddon plays the phrase in Born to Lose at 1:20 and 2:05 (on the BenRom Steel)
Go thru all of Dave's clips and you 'll see that he uses this phrase quite extensively and with great taste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk3t9P8GH8 |
Why don't we just call it the BenRom Steel lick and promise every time we play it to stop and hold up a sign saying buy a BenRom Steel.  |
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Franklin
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Posted 12 Aug 2010 8:43 am
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Scott,
Phrasing describes "the rhythmic" value of a series of chords and/or notes in a musical line........"Phrasing" is not the term used for this type of chord progression.....You could call it a lick, chord run, or progression. On a session I would ask the guys to play "this progression". I would then play it instead of writing it down.....Sometimes written information complicates a simple idea.
To answer your question its a 5 chord progression or run....
What you're hearing is a 1 chord, then a 1sus4 , back to the 1 chord, then a 1 add 9 chord, back to the 1 chord..........Very church like.....
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