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Topic: Rack and Barrel shobud reference |
David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 3:49 pm |
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I saw a while back a chart for rack and barrel systems that were used on the early shobud but cant find it..Not that I need it but thought I would make a copy of it for reference later.
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WILCOX SD10 (love the white mica)
WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 7:20 pm
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Are you refering to this?
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Stan Schober
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Cahokia, Illinois, USA
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 8:51 pm
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Those are specifically for the crossover model, correct, James ?
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 8:54 pm
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That would be it
Thanks James,I knew I had seen it before but I couldnt find it thru the forum search.
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WILCOX SD10 (love the white mica)
WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
http://www.dbupholstery.yolasite.com |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 9:00 pm
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| Yes Stan, for the crossover, which is the rack and barrel that the Professional evolved from. |
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David Beckner
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 7:26 am
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James
other than the Crossover and the Pro were there any other models with rack and barrel?
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WILCOX SD10 (love the white mica)
WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
http://www.dbupholstery.yolasite.com |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 10:25 am
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I bought a 6139 (S-10, 3+1) new in 1974 that was rack-and-barrel. There were several Sho-Bud models using that system in the early 70's.
My opinion is this: rack-and-barrel sucks. The pedals don't stay in tune very well. If you have two barrels on one rod, tuning one can accidentally detune the other. It's hard (maybe impossible) to time a pedal that has multiple pulls.
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Benton Allen
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Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 12:12 pm
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David,
As b0b so eloquently put it,
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I don't think I'd go directly to sucks, but I'll admit, they can and do definitely pull a vacuum at times, but weren't they purdy?
 
Play it and enjoy the history it contains!!
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 12:27 pm
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1967 S-10, 6 and 2. Note the sandcast aluminum frames for the racks.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 12:44 pm
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David, b0b's last comment is accurate for sure: They WERE noisy.
I bought a 6139 (S-10, 3 pd's 1 KL) in 1972
Of course today I am kicking myself for selling the thing, after all the good words I hear about it on the forum. I like the basic build. I just wish there was some way to make this system quieter and more accurate tuning.
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 12:53 pm
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bob said:
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It's hard (maybe impossible) to time a pedal that has multiple pulls.
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I bought a rack and barrel that James Morehead had gone through years ago and it's nothing short of magnificent.
Like a push/pull, I guess they have to be set up by a steel guru to play great. |
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James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 3:56 pm
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Dang b0b, other than THAT, what do you think of them? 
Yes all the above is true. They can be problematic to tune--unless you have them clean and set up right, then they are easy to tune and STAY in tune.
And yes they are noisy--unless you take a few extra simple steps to quiet them up.
Like any other guitar pulling system, they ain't perfect.
Rack and barrel is a very versatile system, but like any steel guitar system, they are not ment for everybody, and that's cool. Leaves more for me to play.  |
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 4:06 pm
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OUCH!! b0b you cut to the quick I have noticed a small squeak in playing this one but I wouldnt call it noisy..It looks like it may be a little tedious to do any adjustments but the person I got this one from seems to have really pampered it..
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WILCOX SD10 (love the white mica)
WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
http://www.dbupholstery.yolasite.com |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 4:36 pm
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You should put 'er upside-down on the kitchen table and lube the whole thing. There shouldn't be any squeeks. If it moves, and touches something, put a drop of lube on it. Just move a pedal or lever and watch everything that moves...from your hand to the changer.
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Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 8:55 pm
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Well, it's just my opinion. Some people like them, obviously. I've had two of them, and in my opinion they don't work as nearly as well as modern all-pull guitars with bell cranks. They are what they are.
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 3:21 am
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| I have noticed a small squeak in playing this one------------ |
David, Start with the pedal bar--make sure the pedals have some non-dust attracting sewing machine oil in them, including the ball connector. Isolate that squeak and oil it. Don't over oil-go conservative. But Rick A. is right, there should be no squeaks happening. |
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David Beckner
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 8:15 am
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James. I found the problem.The spring loaded mechanism that attaches the pedal needed a drop of oil.
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WILCOX SD10 (love the white mica)
WALKER SEAT
NASHVILLE 400
BEHRINGER RACK TUNER
CUSH CASE RACK
PEAVEY DELTA FEX
PARTS CASTER.Gospel and Classic Country Music
http://www.dbupholstery.yolasite.com |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 9:17 am
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Yeah James, I don't mean slather it on But if you look at the racks on some of 'em, they chew the heck out of the pull rods. I put a small ammount of lube on the ones that obviously rub. I wipe it clean and re-lube a couple especially bad spots every 3-4 months. Makes a world of difference on my guitar. YMMV.
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Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer 1963 Gibson Falcon |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 9:27 am
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Rick,
You need some of James' new rods! I'll be getting a set for my S-10 soon.
JB |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 4:41 pm
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| Rick Abbott wrote: |
| Yeah James, I don't mean slather it on But if you look at the racks on some of 'em, they chew the heck out of the pull rods. I put a small ammount of lube on the ones that obviously rub. I wipe it clean and re-lube a couple especially bad spots every 3-4 months. Makes a world of difference on my guitar. YMMV. |
Awe yes---slather. Like slather some BBQ sauce on a rack of ribs on the grill.(you know what's on MY mind, huh??) 
I've seen bad wear on rods that were the old aluminum pullrods, but not so much on the steel rods. Sometimes if a rack is not aligned just proper, you'll see some binding/wear. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 3 Jul 2010 7:13 pm
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| Eggs Ackley! |
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