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Topic: Z.King on E9 Methodology Using Zane Beck and John Hughey |
Zane King
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Posted 28 Jun 2010 4:21 pm |
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I'm thrilled with the response so far on this expose of the ZB Tuning setup. I don't want to overwhelm you but at the same time I want to provide clarity on my thought process, approach, and the musicality of my setup. So read on...or if you are just joining the conversation here is a brief recap..
1) Zane King on ZB Tuning - First Thoughts - you will find the full copedent of what I use and how little that I have expanded on the original ZB setup.
2) ZK on ZB Tuning - On Second Thoughts - we started the discussion on the top 4 strings and their symmetry/balance and what that provides. This likely is one of the more attractive components of the tuning.
Now we continue to look at how the ZB Tuning compares to standard E9. The purpose is not to disparage the E9. I've said that it is a very useful, manageable, musical and better yet well proved. This discussion is to show you how I accomplish what E9 players perform. However, no matter what tuning setup you have it's important to discover your own musical personality.
The top graph is ZB Tuning with what I have identified as the "E" mode. (THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE COPEDENT)
The bottom graph is the John Hughey E9 Setup
John's setup is very close to mine. I will let you digest that before going further. I posted these elsewhere yesterday but this is the appropriate place for you to hear these clips.
"Look At Us" Intro/Turn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyjrjVqO-rA
"Softly & Tenderly"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZPpTcbhcrc
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Zane King
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Posted 28 Jun 2010 6:20 pm
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You may email me privately if you want a copy of the copedent comparison. I have a much clear image than what is displayed above.
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Zane King
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 29 Jun 2010 8:55 am And now a look at Tommy White and my tuning setup.
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It turns out that Tommy White's setup may even be closer than John Hughey's when comparing. As you take a look consider...
1) LKL lowering Es is same.
2) LKV is same except I raise my C# half tone there.
3) LKR raising Es is same
4) Tommy's first pedal is his "C" pedal mine is on my 3rd pedal and my 1st pedal is extra to the "E" mode.
5) 2nd pedal is essentially the same.
6) 3rd pedal is essentially the same.
7) Tommy's 4th pedal is equal to my RKR. I accomplish the very same thing. I'll show this in a video later.
 Tommy's RKL is equal to my 5th pedal.
9) RKR is where Tommy gets a D and C# at the top. I have these in a multitude of places already. He also raises string 7 to G..Franklin goes to a G#. I have not yet determined what I want to do if anything there.
Additionally, he takes the 9th string D to C#. This is common for E9 now since they are trying to find resolve from the dominant 7. My tuning along with many universal players have satisfactorily addressed this area of the tuning.
Later on I plan on using the comparisons in a video detailing the sound and likenesses of each pedal and string. I think at that point I will have sufficiently proven that the ZB Tuning can indeed accomplish the E9 standard stylings. Furthermore, there may even be even a good case established that when just purely looking at this from an "E" mode you can do more. Time, talent and exposure will tell those answers.
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 30 Jun 2010 8:10 am More Exhibits on E9 / ZB Tuning - 6/30/10
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I have posted another video today. As you see above, I am going through a study here to show where the E9 tuning is applied in the ZB Tuning setup. Today, we take a close look at this relatively recent whole tone raise of the top 2 strings on the E9 setup.
Most players now seem to do this on either a knee lever or pedal
Top String - F# - G#
2nd STring-D# - C#
This video shows you exactly how I accomplish this with my RKR. Let me know if you need a clearer copy of these copedent comparisons from above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JM7h1emvPA
Next we will discuss one of the most common "moves" on the E9 top 6 strings of the E9 and where that lays on my steel guitar. Stay tuned.
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Zane King
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 1 Jul 2010 8:56 am C6 and ZB Tuning Sneak Peak
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I do not "officially" want to start the conversation about the C6 and how it applies on my tuning setup just yet. However, because I have so many folks responding by email that are considering trying this setup I want to at least throw out some initial sneak peaks at what this will look like.
These reduced images are hard to read so feel free to email me for a clearer version.
To explain what you are seeing just a bit...
I call this the "C" mode. I have always done better by picturing chords, notes, and patterns when thinking of the Key of C. Because C6 is one of the primary tunings with our instrument it also makes sense to think of C. All of this as opposed to thinking in the key of B. So this is just a quick evaluation of what I have at the first fret Key of C.
Notice that I have a few more options than both Emmons and Day setups at the top. Is this better than other universal setups? That will be debated as we go along but I will submit an argument that more can be attained on my guitar with respect to both E9 and C6. Have I attained that myself? Doubtful. In time, however, others will. I am sure of it. I believe it is absolutely necessary that the steel guitar evolve into a single neck tuning. I hear the growling even as I type that. I do believe the setups will always have variances from person to person / guitar to guitar. That said, it's a long way until we get there so don't get all offended. I admire and respect both the traditional C6 and E9 and the many people who have contributed. I am talking about a very big picture scenario here.
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 2 Jul 2010 6:40 am Another Exhibit on the comparison study of E9/ZB Tunings
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I think you will really like this video comparison because I actually use my E9 Standard Steel and of course my 12 string steel with ZB setup. Hopefully, you will notice the obvious advantage I have with just both of these very basic movements/phrases.
In the "Speed Picking" thread I will continue this comparison somewhat because this "advantage" that I believe I have is key to my approach in up tempo playing. I ABSOLUTELY realize that the top 2 strings of the E9 tuning can be resolved to C#, G#, D, etc. But you must consider that even though you may do that they will still not be in symmetry as they are on my setup. What does this yield? As I have stated previously, it is a different flavor or character if you will. Is one preferred over the other? Doubtful as of yet. Because the E9/C6 has become almost standard worldwide my unique Universal setup is a rare breed. That makes what I'm doing particular on the top 5 strings (which by the way is the most heard in the world) almost if you will a new flavor of chocolate. That's right, there's no such thing as a new flavor of chocolate! Just different ways to spin the recipe right? IMHO that is what I'm offering here to our community is a new version of the old standard.
Take a listen and let me know what you think of this comparison....trust me I can take the criticism. I also welcome a challenge! Seriously. I would love to see a phrase/run/lick on the E9 standard (prefer tab) and then I will attempt to duplicate it for you on my guitar. Again, hold this to the top 6 strings for now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPk0EjVzgcg
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Zane King
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Posted 4 Jul 2010 6:35 am
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Bump - in order to keep this as close to the C6 thread as possible.
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Zane King
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 5 Jul 2010 8:32 am A question for you all on the Forum
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Let me know which you are more interested in. The studies on how you can attain E9 sounds on my 12 string setup? or C6 studies? or both?
For those of you that are mostly just interested in just E9 stylings then I want to start a dialogue with you on exactly how to utilize the best part of my setup on your 10 string guitar.
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Zane King
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 8 Jul 2010 6:53 am More E9 Comparison Studies Coming
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For those of you that still want more E9 styling examples I do have several more on the way. So we are not totally going to get lost in the C6 studies. I believe it is likely that more are interested in what can be achieved on my setup with E9 than C6. Stay tuned.
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Zane King
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 11 Jul 2010 6:39 am Another video exhibit
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I have gotten fairly involved on the C6 studies with my tuning setup but I wanted to also keep the conversation going about the E9 stylings that are also readily available. Here is just a quick video of a common move I use in many tunes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJB5v-V3uWg
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David Griffin
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