RedEye O'Brien's Chordfinder - A Glitch, Or Is It Me?

Richard Damron · From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)

Beginning to flounder around on the C6th neck. Knowing my chords, I went to the link that b0b has posted called "RedEye's" ChordFinder for some immediate assistance as to where to find them.

C6th copedant which is posted shows LKL@-1, LKR@+1 and RKR@+1. My copedant, stock-standard C6th, has none of these. I appropriately set these to show no change. I dutifully punch the "Save Copedant" button prior to searching for a chord. It doesn't save. In searching for a simple CMAJ7 chord, the results show that I must use the LKL and LKR levers. Same with other searches for different chords.

Is there a glitch in the program or am I not understanding what appears to be a simple instruction or two? Sad

Respectfully,

Richard

Bill Ladd · From: Wilmington, NC, USA

Just tried it. Got the same result.

Richard Damron · From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)

Glad to note that I'm not losing it.

I think.

Brint Hannay · From: Maryland, USA

I just tried the program on E9th, not subtracting changes, but swapping the LKR and RKL changes, and hit "Save copedent". It wouldn't save that either.

Nic du Toit · From: Milnerton, Cape, South Africa

How about using "Print Screen" on your PC keyboard, and paste it to notepad?
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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

Richard, i found Karlis Abolins' Guitar Map program a invaluable resource.
http://home.comcast.net/~k.abolins/guitarmap.html

Richard Damron · From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)

CrowBear -

I have Karlis' Guitar Map on my PC but am struggling with understanding parts of it. His "operating instructions" are rather cursory. Guess that, with some things, I need to be taken by the hand and guided through the maze. Thanks for thinking of me and supplying the lead.

Respectfully,

Richard

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

if you use skype Richard, i'd be glad to run you through it Very Happy

( look up crowbear on pitcairn island Winking

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Richard Damron · From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)

CrowBear -

I do not use Skype. Dare I even suggest an in-depth PM? Nah. That's a stretch. I'll continue to muddle my way through it. Thanks so much for the offer.

Respectfully,

Richard

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

I had the same (unacceptable) problems with "Chord Finder". My C6th copedant is not standard at all, and the save copedant function is a joke. I found the program frustrating and pretty useless.

"Guitar Map" is much better as it shows you the fretboard and locations of the chords, notes, and interval numbers, but I just found a problem with it today. I was searching for diminished seventh chords, and the formula that is programmed is incorrect, at least for the C6th. It uses the scales tones of 1, b3, b5, b7 instead of 1, b3, b5, bb7. There are listings of chord types that are so cryptic, it is very hard to figure out what they are. Listing them in common terms that everyday musicians use would have been a plus.

I just stumbled onto this thread when I did a search to find Karlis' email so I could let him know about his mistake.
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Jeremiah Wade · From: Bladenboro, NC

The chord finder used to work correctly. Has anyone contacted the webmaster for Red Eye's website. After I sold my starter guitar and got my Rains in January I could not get it to save a different copedant. But the site worked properly last September when I first started playing. I resorted to drawing up my own chord book using the theory I've learned over the last twenty-two years.
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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Karlis emailed me the fix for Guitar Map. In the folder that you installed Guitar Map to, there is a file called default.scl. This holds the info for the different chord types. It is a text file, but if you try to open in Windows Explorer by just clicking on it, Windows won't open it, and tries to find a default program to download for it. All you have to do, is open NotePad, click on FILE -> OPEN,and select the file. It will open fine.

I shouldn't say that Chord Finder is useless, if there is a fix for the save copedant problem. As I have additional pedals/levers for C6th that are not "standard", as well as having moved pedals 7 & 8 to knee levers, this creates additional work to cross reference which is which. I do like the fact that Chord Finder automatically figures out the fret, pedal numbers, and strings to play for you, but it doesn't show locations for partials (maybe the 1 & 3, or the 3 & 5, etc...) of that chord.

But, the reason I like Guitar Map better, is that it not only shows the chord location, but shows you all the frets from open to 12 so you can see where there are partials of the chord on other frets, and the surrounding scale tones. I find this to be helpful, especially for beginners who don't know the fretboard very well (even after 39 years, I find new things all the time). They will tend to stay on the frets where the chord is found, and play all their licks on one fret. This visual aid allows you to "see" where all these other notes are. You can also select a note number display to show the scale interval numbers (although I just noticed that Chordfinder lists these next to the notes in the table). And you can select a scale display that you can select different types of scales, and it will display every note of that scale on every string on every fret (from 0 -12, but there is also a selection to display an octave above). The only thing that would improve Guitar Map, is if it automatically found which pedals and knee levers to use for the chords combination. But I don't find having to manually select different pedals and knee levers, or combinations of those, a big deal.

AND, you can use it for other fretted instruments. I have setups for Dobro tunings, and the Mandolin.
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Stuart Legg · Posted 27 Aug 2010 4:30 pm

I think all these chord finders are great and are helpful in finding those augdiminished fractured alien chords.
But somewhere along the line you need to be able to visualize what affect your particular pedals and levers have on each and every string.
Just use a simple little spreadsheet thing like the following.
Put your chord formula in orange strip under the appropriate scale note and whatever you enter will appear on the neck view, numbers or letters (what ever you use the best) I suggest numbers simply that is the way chords are written.
The idea is to quickly get you into the ballpark and you use your pedal and lever knowledge to find all the places where that particular chord can be found on the neck.
Notice the extra spaces at the nut end the changer end. This is so you can highlight the whole string “drag and drop” the appropriate number of +/- ½ tones to simulate the different pedal and lever moves to achieve the desired results. Highlight and click “save as”, name it for each or combination of each and you still have your original little neck calculator to work with again.
This whole process goes quicker than you would think and after awhile you’ll find you can visualize the scales, chords, licks and the pedals and levers just by looking at the real neck and then you won’t need the little calculator anymore and you can pass it on to someone else.
I’m dealing with an F9 consisting of 3, b7, 9. It was ask about here on another topic.
I usually drop the 1st an 5th of the chord and keep the 3rd.
I usually enter a little star in the formula not to add it to my chord but just to give me an idea where the chord is in relation to the tonic.
I would suggest you use the RedEye O'Brien's Chordfinder and use this little calculator for a learning tool. The thing is easy to program yourself and at the very least you’ll have a lot of fun and learn something about PSG and Spreadsheets.

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