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Topic: Super Achievers Dominating The Nightspots? |
Bill Hankey
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 1:00 pm |
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Have you ever tried to find an opening in a nightspot dominated by super achievers? Try as you might, word gets around fast, it just won't happen.
The best jobs are becoming more political, combined with the presence of sleuths circulating who favor specified super achievers. Politics have all but ruined traditional country music. |
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 1:33 pm
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| Darwin called it natural selection |
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David Beckner
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 1:34 pm
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Bill so many times have I said this only to find myself talking to the walls...Then I have people who will call me up for a gig and whine about how bad they want us to play but can not afford to pay the price they used to.
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Scott Henderson
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Camdenton, Missouri, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 1:44 pm
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I would say quite the opposite...Cheap blues bands and karoke have taken over our local market. Don't see "bands" much anymore here at the lake. Mainly duos. And yes I play in one. But I like playing in a band setting too but that just don't happen to often.Ah progress.....
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 2:28 pm
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Scott,
Your clean-cut appearance implies professionalism. Many on this forum have assured me in writing that your credentials are many in this business of entertainment. I can't imagine you ever falling on hard times. Unrelated unfair practices include collecting $3.00 a gallon at the pumps. They (gas companies) are making it impossible to survive as a weekend warrior. A sandwich and coffee, plus a little sweet treat, will cost another $10.00. After a social drink, there is very little left to take home for savings from an evening's earnings.
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Fred Shannon
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Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 2:45 pm
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Bill, in common language, I'm the guy that just finished loading 180 bales of hay, what do you consider a SUPER ACHIEVER?
phred
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 3:02 pm
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Fred,
What are you feeding down there? You are one of the good fellows known for your achievements in ranching, roping, and riding. I can smell the fresh hay, clear to here in Massachusetts. I'm no "Bull of the woods", but trust me, I've had to work with some. You quickly learn from experience who to join forces with, if you are talking about associates in hard labor. Working as an independent worker, is the safest route in music or hard labor. |
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Allan Munro
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Pennsylvania, USA and Scotland
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 3:26 pm Re: Super Achievers Dominating The Nightspots?
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| Bill Hankey wrote: |
Have you ever tried to find an opening in a nightspot dominated by super achievers? Try as you might, word gets around fast, it just won't happen.
The best jobs are becoming more political, combined with the presence of sleuths circulating who favor specified super achievers. Politics have all but ruined traditional country music. |
I don't understand the question. Assuming that the achiever really is super, why would a venue show interest in someone else anyhow? RB put his finger right on it - natural selection. If the venue already has the super being tied in then I guess there is no opening to find. (Unless you are prepare to go in super cheap! Grrrrr...)
I really have no idea what the second paragraph is about. Can you please explain a little more on that?
Allan.....
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Fred Shannon
From:
Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 4:20 pm
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Well Allan he missed me too. I'm really interested in what a super achiever is. Are we talking music or something else. If he's a super achiever I missed them all I guess. I've played with some pretty good players and singers but I've never gotten round to a Buddy Emmons, (take it back, made a USO tour with Hank Thompson=---but he wasn't crazy about my playing). In any case if he's a super achiever he didn't stay in my neck of the woods too long. Somebody picked him or her up.
phred
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 4:29 pm
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Allan,
The second paragraph was intended to include the supporters of strong arm tactics, and verbal assaults, including put-downs by jaded hard cases who assail fledgling bands who feature hard-core country entertainment. In all likelihood, the inquiries for sharing the limelight will be passed over with flimsy booking excuses. Gullibility is currently full blown, as each day ushers in more music from a new era of incongruities, unrelated to real country music. |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 4:44 pm
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Fred,
I'm not 100 percent positive... I thought that Hank T. brought Curly Chalker into Nashville. Who among us would attempt to fill his shoes? I'd guess that Hank was a bit spoiled by the time you traveled abroad with him. I always wished to play his big expensive Spanish guitars. It never happened. |
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Fred Shannon
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Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 4:50 pm
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No Bill his steeler got sick in Stephanville NFLD and I was available. That's how I went with him. It was not a pleasant experience for either of us. We did become good friends at a later date and I miss him greatly. I just wondered what you meant by a super achiever. i don't understand 'strong arm tactics' simply because I never allowed them I am a firm believer that a person can only be intimidated if that individual allows it. Period. I guess we can't get on the same page with this one either.
phred
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 5:24 pm
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Fred,
Now that you mentioned "super achiever" again, I agree.. It does suggest a very foreboding message, that is not intended to be taken lightly. Steel players depend on sanctions that are diminishing in surprising numbers. |
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Scott Henderson
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Camdenton, Missouri, USA
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Posted 27 Apr 2010 8:57 pm
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It's not so much hard times as it is I have boundries for myself. regardless of the amount of pickers on a stage I make it a rule to not play for less than $100.00+ a night. I value my own time too much to not get at least that. Like you said their is overhead to think about. I love to play and the music is great networking for my real estate business. I keep my fire pretty full of irons and I like it that way. I think anyone who makes the investment that we do deserves to be compensated for his work and investment. "Super achiever" isn't as important as club owners just being respectful for what you do. Phred... buckin bales actually sounds like fun. I remember spending a hot day in a hay field when I was a pup makin a quarter a bale. (SPlit 3 ways LOL) It's a good memory. Of course now I'm sure I'ld reconsider that about bale # 200. Good to hear from you my friend!
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 5:26 am
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Scott,
What a bargain! I haven't heard or seen you in performance, as of now - it's something that I would enjoy if it could be possible. There is much more cash on hand to facilitate satifying your expectations, which most certainly should be raised considerably to feature artistic performers at your level of expertise. Thank you for taking the time to comment in this thread. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 6:47 am
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| regardless of the amount of pickers on a stage I make it a rule to not play for less than $100.00+ a night. |
Scott, it's a good thing you aren't living in L.A..
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| The second paragraph was intended to include the supporters of strong arm tactics, and verbal assaults, including put-downs by jaded hard cases who assail fledgling bands who feature hard-core country entertainment. |
Bill, I don't know any "fledgling" bands that feature "hard-core" country entertainment. |
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 7:36 am
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| Bill Hankey wrote: |
Allan,
The second paragraph was intended to include the supporters of strong arm tactics, and verbal assaults, including put-downs by jaded hard cases who assail fledgling bands who feature hard-core country entertainment. In all likelihood, the inquiries for sharing the limelight will be passed over with flimsy booking excuses. Gullibility is currently full blown, as each day ushers in more music from a new era of incongruities, unrelated to real country music. |
Bill, an inflexible ensemble as you depict is prosperously contingent upon the ad nauseam entourage and to a lesser degree the performance proficiency. |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 9:07 am
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Barry,
I'm still trying to sort out how you approach country music. You are included in a very large number of musicians who never reveal song title preferences as part of your outward declarations of truth and wrongdoings. Where are the listings of favorite people, songs, musical instruments, positive notations, and the like? You've boxed me in several times by attempting to avenge some past resentment that popularized the scapegoat concept of doing things. As likely as not, I feel targeted |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 9:43 am
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| You've boxed me in several times by attempting to avenge some past resentment that popularized the scapegoat concept of doing things. As likely as not, I feel targeted. |
Bill, I'm not avenging anything, nor are you targeted. You just need to try to maintain some semblance of continuity within your threads. Do you understand at all what I'm suggesting, or do you need examples? |
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John Steele
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 10:06 am
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I've run into more instances lately in which the Underachievers seem to dominate the nightspots.
A couple of friends (usually guitarists) who hold court in the bar, casually (and I mean Casually !) playing very informal half-baked versions of songs they may or may not remember. I don't think they're getting paid much, but as long as their friends show up to buy a beer, the bar is happy.
A couple of weeks ago I stopped into a small town bar where the usual duo took a week off, and their replacement didn't sing, but played intros and guitar solos, some of which he had learned. He never played a whole tune all night. Things stopped and started randomly. It was really weird.
Afterwards I was approached by a few of them about gig possibilities and venues, and it was a test of my diplomacy to remain positive while trying to explain that most venues wouldn't hire them until they actually learned at least one whole song. 
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 11:38 am
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John S.,
Country music patrons are hopelessly outnumbered by baggy pants rockers. I mean to say, do you see what has happened to the youth of America? They wouldn't purchase a country CD if their lives depended on it. Those cronies you speak of, commanding attention at local bar scenes, have absolutely nothing in common with the musical preferences in bars or elsewhere, of the patrons with new ID Cards. Most bar owners are doubly pleased with gangs of rock 'n' roll clientele who flood their juke boxes with quarters. The unbearable volume is intended to establish territory, like a tomcat prowling and marking as he goes about snooping for the best deal in town. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 12:10 pm
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| Most bar owners are doubly pleased with gangs of rock 'n' roll clientele who flood their juke boxes with quarters |
Bill, sometimes I think you are living in an alternate universe. |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 12:21 pm
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Bill M.,
I can't tell if your comment is meant to be complimentary or otherwise. For that reason I'll just hope you can clarify the statement. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 12:25 pm
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Gangs of rock and rollers stuffing quarters into juke boxes is an image from the 1950's and Marlon Brando in a black leather jacket.
I can't recall the last time I saw a juke box.
And it didn't take quarters. It took dollars.
I thought maybe your flux capacitor was acting up again. |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Apr 2010 12:42 pm
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Bill M.,
Your response tells me more than I need to know about how you view realities. Sorry Bill, there are many juke boxes in bars. Furthermore, you've inadvertently addressed the problem without realizing doing so. BTW, it's time to look in the mirror, and skip telling me what you see. I've a picture in my mind that can't be erased. |
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