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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 14 Apr 2010 8:37 pm    
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Here's Herb Remmington on a rarity, Glenn Barber's Ice Water - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p60awX4PJHo&feature=related
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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 14 Apr 2010 9:21 pm    
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Ron:

I've liked that record for a long time--one of the earliest legitimate rockabilly records.

Why do you think it is Herb Remington on steel?? It might be--I'm just asking.


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Twayn Williams

 

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Post  Posted 15 Apr 2010 10:49 am    
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Hmm, doesn't sound like Herb to me, not as sophisticated as what I've used to hearing from early Remington. Maybe someone who listened to Herb and pulled a few ideas from him.
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 15 Apr 2010 11:17 am    
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I'm looking for the link to cd's that had the songs, dates, and personel listed, with Herb being stated for Ice Water. I thot it maybe to be Speedy, so Herb would be a fair 2nd guess.
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Mark Roeder


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Post  Posted 15 Apr 2010 12:01 pm    
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Thats cool, I like that rockabilly steel. Someone should just ask Herb if it's him.
I saw an old poster of Herb touring with Elvis in the early fifties and asked him about it at the TSGA. He said he did indeed tour some with Elvis. So there is alittle rockabilly history.
Also,there are some Bill Haley cuts with Billy Williamson on steel around.
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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 15 Apr 2010 4:03 pm    
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Ron:

Here are 3 great mid 50s tunes that I am pretty sure have Herb on them. You should be able to run them down pretty easily.

J. P. Richardson: Crazy Blues

Johnny Mathis: One Life

Roger Miller: Can't Stop Loving You

It sounds like the same band on all 3 records--Herby and probably Doc Lewis on piano--kinda the Mercury/Starday house band at the time.

And of course R. D. Hendon's "No Shoes Boogie" from the early 50s--a classic.
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 15 Apr 2010 4:48 pm    
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Just by the song titles alone you know these are winners. Too Cool
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 8 Jun 2010 11:27 am    
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Found these today -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBd8LqKxx4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH8sUcaVMjU w/Sonny Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ49WW4Whu4 w/Andy Sannella
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGei5IDe18 w/Pete Drake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiR6VDIdts&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw76EF95s4c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqbx2vPK1w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAildSp6IMo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRtMgF4AIc&feature=related
Some of these must have Freddie Calhoun on steel, a new name to me.
Bio on Curtis Gordon, had a bunch of steelers, even Jerry Byrd! http://www.theranchgirls.com/bio/curtisgordon.html
http://www.bopping.org/eng/?p=865
Possibly Jerry w/Curtis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtCIlwpSuDo&feature=related
http://www.myspace.com/curtisgordon1
Here's some on Calhoun -
The next three additons to Milton Brown's band were vital. The first came in late 1933 when pianist Fred Calhoun joined the Brownies. Calhoun had no hillbilly background whatsoever in his playing, he was the first strictly jazz musician to join a Western Swing band. Calhoun was a fan of Earl "Fatha" Hines who was then broadcasting his network program out of Chicago. Calhoun was nicknamed "Papa" due to his affinity for the great jazz pianist and bandleader. Calhoun soon became a favorite of dancers at Milton Brown's showplace at Crystal Springs, just outside of downtown Fort Worth. .... In late 1934 Milton Brown added another who was to change not only the sound of Western Swing, but the sound of Country and Western Music for years to come. Bob Dunn brought amplification to Western Swing through the homemade pick-up attached to his steel guitar. Dunn's electrifying wailings on the steel reflected his experience as a trombone player and the inclusion of this novelty item (for 1934!) revolutionized Western Swing and introduced the steel guitar to the Country Music World in an entirely new light.
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 8 Jun 2010 12:43 pm    
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Here's the great Kayton Roberts riffing over the top, live in someone's home - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9paq0kDBWY
...and somewhere else - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z5ylNS7aUQ&feature=related
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Steve Cunningham


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Post  Posted 13 Jun 2010 7:24 pm    
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Thanks for the links Ron...this stuff is great!
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jun 2010 7:50 pm    
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And that's just the tip of the iceberg, Steve! I hope to link up much more, asap.
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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 14 Jun 2010 12:04 am    
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Here are a few rockers with steel; no video; these are 1950s recordings.



Al Barkle from Los Angeles; steel player unknown:

http://picosong.com/Rkf



Spade Cooley; Joaquin Murphey, steel

http://picosong.com/Rk4



Rex Hale, from around Memphis; steel player unknown:

http://picosong.com/Rkj


Ron:

The Fred Calhoun (Papa Calhoun) who played piano for Milton B is not the same guy who played steel for Curtis.

I'm not sure which tracks Calhoun was on with Curtis Gordon. But he was on "Rompin' and Stompin". I think Buddy Emmons recorded with Gordon shortly after he went to Nashville.

There aren't many 50s recordings with steel that are clearly rock and roll or rockabilly as opposed to hopped up western swing or country--probably no more than fifty to a hundred.
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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 14 Jun 2010 10:28 am    
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Mitch Drumm wrote:
The Fred Calhoun (Papa Calhoun) who played piano for Milton B is not the same guy who played steel for Curtis.
Thanx for more tunes, Mitch!
I noticed in my searches there were mentions of a Fred and a Freddie, with Fred always on piano, and Freddie always mentioned as being on steel, with seemingly no crossover. Do we have a parallel universe thing going on here?
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Mitch Drumm

 

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Post  Posted 15 Jun 2010 5:01 am    
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Ron:

Here are 2 lists of 1950s hard core rock and roll or rockabilly records that have steel guitar content. I doubt if there are even 5 instances of pedal steel.

Of the 70 plus titles, maybe 10 or 15 might arguably be called western swing or country, depending on your definition of rockabilly.

I'm a strict constructionist, so there's nothing here post 1960.

One instrumental: Nick Nastos (ex-Bill Haley)

Not a hit record in the bunch--maybe not even a charted top 100 record.

You should be able to run these down.


Omitted deliberately:

Bill Haley
Billy Jack Wills
Thousands of uptempo country or western swing records with steel that aren't rockabilly.
Anything I'm sure you have already heard.





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Ron Whitfield

 

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Post  Posted 15 Jun 2010 10:24 am     Thank you sir!
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As always, Mitch, you come thru like a champ, and without requests! I had no idea there was even a list to request..., that'll make searches a breeze.

Cool that you mention one-time Comet Nick Nastos/Masters, even tho he's from that post '60s Haley era. A friend/former neighbor on Oahu owns a Waialua beach home that Nick used to live in. SGForumite Denny Turner was great friends with him until Nick's death.
Nick should deserves some print time here as he never get's any mention anywhere, but was one heck of a guy/musician from what I've heard.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1245383/bio
Here's a killer track w/Nick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKww5bUgNrI
Here he's shake'n rattle'n and roll'n with The Man, go Nick! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz_D0UVYCqU
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Jussi Huhtakangas

 

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Post  Posted 16 Jun 2010 3:26 am     littlöe jimmy
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Mitch Drumm wrote:


I'm not sure which tracks Calhoun was on with Curtis Gordon. But he was on "Rompin' and Stompin". I think Buddy Emmons recorded with Gordon shortly after he went to Nashville.


Calhoun also played the classic rab tracks like Draggin', Mobile Alabama, Rock, Roll Jump & Jive and Sittin' On Top Of The World, and I guess few others. On these he plays Travis picking solos and made many people think it was a regular guitar. Buddy played on Play The Music Louder session ( great solo btw ), don't remember what other songs were recorded then. Then Jerry Byrd was on some tracks.

You guys ever heard this, talk about wild & crazy steel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizM_rc2pp4

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfjrLaCicgw

How about Rudy Grayzell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6DfT6oX6SU

Or Eddie Bond with Jerry Byrd & Hank Garland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORZC2rZ4jPo

Red Sovine w/ Don Helms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjFAChftMbE

Wanda Jackson w/ Ralph Mooney taking the second break:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxODaqk-f4

Slim Rhodes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JabUBLz0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqb7gKpKm0Y&feature=related

...just a tip of an ice berg




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Jim Newberry


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Post  Posted 21 Jun 2010 12:06 pm    
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I don't have any cool youtube links, but there's a great CD called "Bayou Rockabilly Cats" (http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1011365/a/Bayou+Rockabilly+Cats.htm)that's got some wild steel on it. It isn't standard Cajun style and I don't know who the steel players were on it, but some tasty stuff.
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