EXT E9 or E9/B6 is one easier than the other

Chuck Hall · From: Warner Robins, Ga, USA

I would like to know, from those of you who play or have played 12 and 14 string universals.

Which is better to learn on E9/B6 Uni or Ext E9th?

That ought to get her started good........ Surprised

Ken Metcalf · From: San Antonio Texas USA

Doesn't matter which tuning you first learn on!
None are easy at first.
S-10 E9th with 3x4 is more than you would need to begin with.
Typically E9/B6 needs and can use more pedals like 5x7
Ext. E9th typically has and can get by with less pedals.
There are many 6th chords on E9th, BUT!
There are different voicings and pulls on a Universal E9th/B6th.. Like a Boo Wah for instance.
It has been said that an Extended E9th is better suited for blues and rock.
I am not sure about that.
There is the D string thing that is not valid to me as I get a 9th string D with a lever.
E9th Pedals down is A6th,
Es lowered B6th.
If you are new, you have some work ahead of you.
S-10 E9th is plenty for most new players.
S-12 is a bit much...
S-14 TOO MUCH for my head.
When you first start learning... My Suggestion would be to
Keep it simple.
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Alan Brookes · From: Brummy living in Southern California

Richard Damron · From: Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)

Alan -

I suspect that Chuck is vaguely referring to my topic titled "Which way to go .....". There's an overlap there.

Chuck -

I feel the pain as your topic refers to something that I'll have to sort out should I go in the direction of a U12. There's a couple of tidbits written by the respondents to my topic that may help.

Richard

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Chuck Hall · From: Warner Robins, Ga, USA

Maybe I should clarify. I have been playing E9 for 16 years. Was think about learning the C6 neck. Then I thought a 12 string is 1 less neck to carry around and less weight is good so I could learn 12 string but do I want to learn on Ext E9 or Uni 12.

Cool

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Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Easy decision. If you want to play C6th type stuff, you will prefer a Uni. You won't get those changes on an Ext E9th.

Disclaimer: I know it's possible to get SOME 6th sounds from an E9th, but you will not get all the stuff available with a 6th based tuning as found on a Uni.
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Franklin · Posted 5 Apr 2010 4:52 am

Chuck,

There is a myth about the weight of a U12......By the time you load them up they are generally about 8 lbs lighter than a standard D10....The weight of the extra changer, neck, and keyhead and slightly larger cabinet is anywhere between 5 to 8 lbs depending on the companies spec's.

With a D10 there is no need to relearn some of the music you already are comfortable playing on the E9th. You're good to run with it. You just have to learn how to play the C6th tuning intervals,

With a universal tuning there is compensation to deal with so you'll have to spend time undoing your memory of how the E9th is played at the same time you still have to learn to play the C6th intervals which are either B6th or Bb6th depending on which U12 you choose.

Plus the resale value of the D10 is better.

Paul

Chuck Hall · From: Warner Robins, Ga, USA

Thanks to all. Looks like the C6 may just be the way to go. At my age, I don't have a lot of time for learning curves. lol
Cool

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Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

Chuck, I played the E9/B6 Universal for a long time and used my LKR lever to lower my 8th string to D to get that note. I'd heard that some C6th players (most notably Terry Crisp) were dropping the low C off of their inside necks and moving the strings 7, 8, and 9 down to the 8, 9, and 10 positions. Then you'd add a D string in position 7 between the E and C. I thought I'd like to try that so I worked it out on paper and all it took was just using a standard extended E9 tuning and when you lowered your 4th and 8th strings to D# you'd have that tuning if you also lowered your 9th string D to C#. Most people do that anyway but if you added it to your E lowers you'd have it.

I tried that for a while but eventually opted to just tune my 9th string to C#. All of the C6 (B6) changes work with this tuning as well. You don't have the BooWah to speak of but I've made adjustments for that by having a pedal that lowers string 7 to F and lowers string 12 to C#. It can be used with either my "F" or "E" lever, works fine with both. Instead of the change on B6 where you lower the 8th string to D, I raise my 9th string C# to D, it blends in with the other pedals normally used with it as well. If you'd like to see a copy of this copedant I'll email it to you......JH in Va.
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Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

I'm with Paul on this one, except I went with a D-12. Very Happy

It's "only" a few pounds heavier than a D-10. Also, you can usually buy them cheaper, because they're not as popular as D-10s.
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Paul Graupp · From: Macon Ga USA

Jim: That's what I said too !! But that was 1976...

Regards, Paul Whoa!

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