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Topic: C6th C to B lower on a pedal rather than a lever? |
Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 16 Mar 2010 12:23 am |
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Does anyone lower their third string from C to B on a pedal rather than a lever? Are there any disadvantages to having it on a pedal?
I'm thinking about putting that on pedal 4, as well as raising the F up to G, because I want to put a change on that lever that is hard to use on a pedal.
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 17 Mar 2010 2:06 pm
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| Ryan...I don't know how I could get by with it anywhere other than a knee lever. I use it in conjunction with every pedal combination in some way or another. Our esteemed forum colleague, Mike Perlowin, even has the equivalent of that change on his U12 using an unusual wrist lever just so he can use it with every pedal and knee combination. I myself use it for scales and movement within chords as much as the altered chords themselves. |
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Gary Walker
From:
Morro Bay, CA
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Posted 4 Apr 2010 8:56 pm
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| Curly Chalker had that change on a pedal as well as on a knee lever. I had a D-12 MSA Classic that I had the C-B change on a pedal instead of a knee, but I had the normal 5 pedal on a RKL and the normal 8 pedal on RKR. My C6 was also on the front neck and E9 on the rear neck. I had fun with that setup. |
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Roual Ranes
From:
Atlanta, Texas, USA
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Posted 5 Apr 2010 3:50 am
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| Rick is right on on this one. You will use it with many other combinations. |
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Franklin
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Posted 5 Apr 2010 5:26 am
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Ryan,
Knee lever and pedal placement is crucial for advancement......Put something in the wrong place and its original musical intent is rendered useless.
I started playing pedals at age 9 and fortunately I got great advise from the pro's who past through our city.....I was consistantly told to study where the masters of the instrument placed things and was advised not to stray away from their copedant design. I knew from listening that Emmons, Jernigan, Chalker, Charlton and others understood music and had figured out the best places to position levers and pedals. I started with the Emmon's C6th setup....There will come a time when you gain enough theory to start screwing with placement according to your musical direction.
Rick has answered the question as well as anyone.....He is also a master of playing jazz voicings.....I agree with him..... There are definite mistakes to be made when designing a copedant....Moving that change from a lever to the floor would be a major mistake.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 5 Apr 2010 6:25 am
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Ryan
Good advice from two masters here... Paul and Rick!Take heed.
The 4 most necessary C6 levers were intuitively obvious for me, based on the way I need and use minors, minor Maj.7, half-diminished (m7b5) chords, and augmented chords in combo with the pedals. Those being:
C-B (s.3)
C-C# (s.3/7)
A-Bb (s.4)
A-Ab (s.4)
I also have the traditional A-B (s.4/ on pedal 4 for several reasons, both melodically by itself and for chords and rhythm chops used in tandem w/p.5.
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2010 9:46 pm
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Absolutely stick with the lever~ and I'm glad to see that Rick's recognition is finally achieving more than local acclaim- he is a monster- and pretty good musician too  |
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