ALL pull Need help tuning C6 pedals 5+8 Split on Rains D10

Jeremiah Wade · From: Bladenboro, NC

In the Emmons basic c6 book Buddy uses pedal 5+8 together. String 10 & 9 are not in tune on my all pull Rains. Does anyone know the procedure to set the split tuning for these notes? I'm sure it requires adding extra pull rods. Thanks in Advance JWW
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John Swain · From: Winchester, Va

I would think you just wouldn't play strings 9,10...I've never heard of a split there..Pedals 5+8 would give you an A6 on certain string grips, which is why Buddy and others raise C-C# on knee lever..IMHO..JS

Jeremiah Wade · From: Bladenboro, NC

The other strings are in tune but Buddy mentions in the audio that one his older guitars had a compensator which allowed 9 and 10 to be true. On my E9 kneck I had to add an extra raise to to tune my B string vertical 1/2 tone lower. I have plenty of extra rods and enjoy working on my Rains.
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Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

Doesn't the Rains have the second row of screws at the changer end for split tuning? If it does have this feature, you can tune all your strings that both raise and lower to a perfect split tuning.

Maybe the older models did not. In that event, yes, it takes an extra rod for each split you want to achieve.

The procedures for both methods are explained in this thread:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=112516&highlight=patrick+laffatt

Jay Jessup · From: Charlottesville, VA, USA

I believe Buddy did have an experimental PP guitar at one point that did have split tuners on it. However I wonder if what the C6 course is referring to is that on a PP guitar raises are dominant over lowers so with 5+8 used together the low notes would come out to D and F# with no tuning issues just because that's the way those guitars work.

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

I haven't gone through that course for a while, but I thought Buddy said he was using the raise predominates feature of his push-pull for that combination.

Earnest Bovine · From: Los Angeles CA USA

I know that Buddy sometimes played an open A6 chord using P5 + P8, on strings 2,4,5,6,7,8.
With the common modern knee lever raising high C to C#, you could add string 3 to the A6, with nice bends to A7 or D9.
But I can't imagine using strings 9 and 10 with P5 + P8.
String 9 would come out very close to F, and might be right on, if you temper the F# lower than ET.
String 10 would probably be between C and B. Even if you could tune it, what would you want to tune it to?

Richard Sinkler · From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana

Just out of curiosity, with the push-pull giving priority to the raise, was it even possible to add a split to a push-pull?
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Jeremiah Wade · From: Bladenboro, NC

My Rains is a 2006 model and only has one row of allen screws. The notes I'm shooting for are A and E for a full A6 voicing 12th fret.

Does Pedal 5+8 on a push pull result in A and E on 9 & 10? If so very cool, another reason to have an Emmons...

5+8 on my Rains is netting C & F for 9 & 10. Not one of my split tuning screws are in use on my C6 neck. Is anyone using them on their guitars? Which strings?

I'm utilizing three of the allens on my E9 neck.

Thanks for all the help. I'm going to check out the link to add additional rods.
Cheers from Atown.
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Jeremiah Wade · From: Bladenboro, NC

No love on tuning
open C Raise to D Tuning split lower to A sharps my open note...

Would my extra rods attach to the Lower or Raise finger of string 10?

Would I add the rod to pedal 5 or 8?

Thanks again.
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John Swain · From: Winchester, Va

On a PP Emmons you would end up with F#+D on 9+10...as Jay said raises dominate...

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