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Topic: New Steel/Fiddle/Guitar Rig setup ... mixer question |
Leo Melanson
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Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2010 9:39 am |
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I'm primarily a lead country player but have joined a band with another tele player and am going to play steel, keyboard, fiddle and guitar. To minimize the gear, I have steel, fiddle, keys and Tele (via POD) going from a small Behringer 1202FX mixer. I will feed that to house, and receive a mix back via in-ear monitors. I will also send signals out to my Nashville 400 via the Ctl Room sends. Anybody have something like this working? Problems? Suggestions?
I am hoping to keep stage vol low, but be able to hear and mix all the instruments on stage.
One strange problem I have encountered .. the mixer seems to be interrupting my volume pedal. When I add volume via my Goodrich pedal, the transition is smooth until I get to the top .. then wham .. it jumps up a few decibels quickly .. defeating the nice swell effect. Is this a problem with the mixer . does it have some compression built in? It does not happen when I go direct to my amp with the same length of cable. Any recommendations to overcome this .. with a compressor or steel driver or some other device. Thanks for the help for this newbie.
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Doug Earnest
From:
Branson, MO USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2010 10:57 am
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| I used to do something similar with a Mackie mixer. I always ran the steel into the volume pedal and then to the mixer without any problems. |
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Charlie Thompson
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2010 5:36 pm Mixer issues
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I experimented with Mixers for multi instrument gigs but continually found the mixers killed my steel tone.
I currently use a WOBO abc relay/looper system for 3 instuments - doesn't color the tone. |
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James Collett
From:
San Dimas, CA
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Posted 7 Mar 2010 9:45 pm
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Maybe could you use the TRS insert (if available on the mixer) for the volume pedal, in a similar fashion as a send/return loop on an amp?
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Sam Marshall
From:
Chandler, AZ USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2010 5:33 pm
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The mixer input impredance is too low to properly interface with a guitar, a steel, or a volume pedal. A fiddle witha piezo pickup would also have a problem with the lower input impedances found on most mixers.
The net effect is an apparent tone-sucking.
10k to 100k input impedance does not work very well with magnetic or piezo pickups.
Sam |
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Bob Grado
From:
Holmdel, New Jersey
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Posted 10 Mar 2010 3:36 am
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The mixer input impredance is too low to properly interface with a guitar, a steel, or a volume pedal. A fiddle witha piezo pickup would also have a problem with the lower input impedances found on most mixers.
The net effect is an apparent tone-sucking.
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Thanks... That explains the problem I ran into when trying to run a steel ( through a PODXT) an electric mandolin (passive pickup) and a banjo (passive pickup) into a Behringer mixer direct to the board.
Is there a solution? I need to be able to switch off from steel to mandolin and steel to banjo during the same song. The problem I run into is with the mix.
Great thread...
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Dave O'Brien
From:
Florida and New Jersey
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Posted 10 Mar 2010 5:40 pm multi instruments
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| I also have used the Boss LS-2 for years. |
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Sam Marshall
From:
Chandler, AZ USA
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Posted 11 Mar 2010 4:31 pm
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Essentially, you need an active buffer with hi-z on the instrument input (1 Meg approx) and low-Z on the output (<1k, <100 preferable).
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 17 Mar 2010 5:30 pm
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As mentioned above, the behringer mixer was not intended to face a guitar pickup directly, for good results you really should have a discrete preamp between each instrument and the mixer inputs, such as a Furman or Audio Arts parametric EQ.
For even better results you might try a better quality mixer, even if behringer did copy the mackie design they built it with the cheapest parts available, the difference in sound and build quality is readily apparent.... |
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Bill Moran
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 18 Mar 2010 8:57 am
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Art Tube Preamp. I know it is extra equipment to carry but they are cheap and soung good. Can change your signal from line to XLR and the board will not have a problem with it.
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Charlie Thompson
From:
South Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 Mar 2010 2:04 pm ABC Switrch
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Look for an ABC Switch It will give you 3 inputs and 1 output into your effects/amp. There are many devices that can do this but look for "true Bypass" that means you should not lose tone.
In my rack set up I use a WOBO midi looper with relays instead of switches that works with a Digitech GSP 1101. I have it set up so that you can map whatever instrument you are playing to a paricular patch. With one switch you can change instruments and simultanoeusly call up an entire different set of effects for that insrtument.Here's a link to that product: http://woboge.com/midi.html
Dave mentioned the LS-2 That is a cool pedal that has many uses. It can serve as an ABC switch as well. I use it when I'm using pedal effects. |
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