day set up

Calvin Walley · From: colorado city colorado, USA

has anyone ever switched from the Emmons set up to the Day set up after playing the Emmons set up after a few years ???

i have been thinking about trying the Day just to see which i might like better , i have always played the Emmons but have always wondered if i would like the Day better
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Andy Sandoval · From: Bakersfield, California, USA

Hi Calvin, I use the Emmons setup and am pretty comfy with it. The Day setup might require some knee lever reassignment too. Such as when you use the A pedal with the F lever that raises the E's. My F lever is on LKL so it's easy to rock over to the A pedal and engage the F lever too. With the Day setup I would think you'd want the F lever on LKR to make it easier. Smile

Paul King · From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

Every guitar I have ever owned has had the Emmons setup. I have played a guitar or two with the Day setup and just did not prefer it. There would be a lot of work changing your guitar around to a different setup.

Jay Jessup · From: Charlottesville, VA, USA

I am sort of in the middle of that transition right now for reasons totally unrelated to playability of one over the other and for the time being I am sticking with it but my advice is "why bother" I don't think one is better than the other in any way!

Russ Tkac · Posted 26 Feb 2010 6:34 am

I have played Day since 1975 and got a really nice Emmons steel that was set up Emmons 2 years ago. It played so well I just left it that way and now play Emmons.

I agree that no advantage in one or the other but you might find it easier to sell an Emmons set up steel.

Russ

Bent Romnes · From: London,Ontario, Canada

Calvin, I recommend you stick with the Emmons setup. Why bother changing? Day is not any "better" just different and will take a whole re-education on your part. If you are struggling with learning to play the steel now, wait til you get into the Day setup. It is so much a right brain - left brain thing that you will just end up frustrating yourself.
Out of necessity, I had to try the Day setup on a guitar I built for Dave Seddon. After hours of trying, I was not able to play a tune. Feet and knees wanted to go the wrong way.

Get perfect on the Emmons setup.
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richard burton · From: Britain

Calvin,
A quick way to try the Day pedal arrangement (but not the knee levers) is to unscrew the nylon raise on the 4th string, activated by the C pedal.
The C pedal then only raises the 5th string a full tone, exactly the same as the A pedal, so you can use it as an A pedal.

Bob Hickish · From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.

Calvin Walley · From: colorado city colorado, USA

thanks guys

i'm happy with the Emmons , but i always wished i could try the Day, as all my guitars were set up with the Emmons
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Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick

Billy Carr · From: Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)

I started with the Day set up in 71'. I switched over to the Emmons set up in 81' because I could move my left foot to the outside quicker than the inside and that helped with speed pickin'. I think the Emmons set up less prone to detuning problems due to the first pedal raising 5 & 10 on the outside instead of the inside towards the front apron of the guitar. I may be wrong but just my opinion.

Calvin Walley · From: colorado city colorado, USA

Billy

this is why i thought about the Day set up ...because i seem to be able to hit the B pedal easier than the A
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Guitars that i have owned in order are :
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Sho-Bud Mavrick

Eddie Lane · From: Branson, Missouri, USA

I played the emmons set up from 1974 until 1979. I found that I can bend my ankle further with the day set up. And then for probably the last 15 years I have put my B to Bb pull on the forth pedal because with the day set up I can use the 3rd and 4th pedals together and get my half step lower. Wink

Ronnie Boettcher · From: Brunswick Ohio, USA

I play the Emmons set up. I had trouble in later years, bending my ankle far enough to clear the B pedal when I rocked to the left. I moved both left knee levers 2" to the left, and it solved my problem. As you age, the joints do not bend as far as they used to. I did toy with changing to the Day, but now I do not have to rethink going right, instead of left. But it is all personal preference. This is on my 77 LDG.
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Randy Wade · From: Batesville, Arkansas, USA

I have played the Emmons setup way to long to change now, abc with e raises lkl and e lowers lkr, but my very first steel was a Sho-Bud crossover and it was Day set up with only two knee levers and they were on different knees. Someone once told me that the human ankle and the way it bends was created for the Day setup and this may be true but I am way to set in my ways to change back now. A friend of mine uses Day and we can sure make some terrible noise on each others E9 necks, we can however play each other's C6 since they are the same.

Calvin Walley · From: colorado city colorado, USA

i'm not sure how the pedals go on the day , i'm thinking from left to right C-B-A ?
if so it might make sense to lower the Es with LKL
am i right or wrong on this ?
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Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick

Jay Jessup · From: Charlottesville, VA, USA

That is correct and if your steel isn't too hard to make changes to just follow Richard's suggestion above and maybe change the LK levers around (assuming you have both E's there) and give it a shot, if you don't have any gigs to play in the near future it shouldn't be too big of a deal to try it out.

Bob Hickish · From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.

Calvin

there was a post that talked about
a player needing the day set up - but only a Emmons guitar available , so he just crossed the C & A pedal rods --

this may give you a shot at it with out all the work Idea

Calvin Walley · From: colorado city colorado, USA

the more thought i give to it , the more i think the the day set up might work better for me just because of my body mechanics
i (think) the B pedal LKL combo would be a more natural movement for me, plus rocking from the A & B pedals on the right side would seem more natural

don't guess i will ever know for sure till i try it

anyone know why the Emmons set up became so dominant ?
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!

Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

Ray Minich · From: Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra

Been thinkin' about taking my student Dekley and trying the Day setup with it. When I converted the D-10 from Day to Emmons after I bought it, I had to switch th left KL's too in order for it to make sense.

Thiel Hatt · From: Utah, USA

Jimmy Day once said (in effect) "it all comes out the same on the top". I have always used the day configuration (for 60 years now). I know we are in the minority but some of the Hall of Fame members, in addition to Jimmy Day, who are in this category are Ron Elliott and Hal Rugg. That's good company to be in.

richard burton · From: Britain

Other notable Day players:
John Hughey
Weldon Myrick
Norm Hamlet
Curly Chalker
Sonny Burnette

I'm in illustrious company Very Happy

Paul Frank Bloomfield · From: Greece

And me Richard ! Back in the early '70's I think
the Day set up was all we had ,am I correct or was
it my location.
All the best
Frank. Corfu
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Bent Romnes · From: London,Ontario, Canada

...and Jeff Newman, John Roche and Dave Seddon
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Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

Calvin, don't know which guitar you are playing now, but most modern steels are pretty easy to switch over.

Just study the linkage, make detailed diagrams, take pics etc. of everything before you start. That way you can put it all back, plus you need to know the rod locations for the relocated pulls.

For your E raises and lowers, you don't even have to move the bellcranks on those crossrods, just move the pull rods to either raise or lower. [BTW, look at Carter's website for rodding theory if you need it.] http://www.steelguitarinfo.com/rodding/roddinglogic.html

Some people find one setup easier to play than the other. You might like it better. You'll never know if you don't try it. Give yourself a few weeks to get used to it. You can always change it back if you don't like it. Good Luck.

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