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Topic: Sho-Bud Permanent C6 |
Randy Wade
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Batesville, Arkansas, USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2010 8:13 pm |
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| On the Sho-Bud Permanent,was the setup the now standard five pedals and one knee on C6? And if so how did they accomodate the raising of one string and the lowering of another on the same pedal with the pull-release one finger mechanism? I have not had the opportunity to examine one up close, where I could look underneath at the workings, but I am fascinated by them. Does anybody have a hi res pic of the underneath of one of these? |
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 23 Feb 2010 10:04 pm
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This is how the Marlen system works, Sho bud will probably be similar
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Randy Wade
From:
Batesville, Arkansas, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 7:22 am
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Thanks for the diagram,Richard and thanks for the links Jussi.
I have been listening to the Steel Guitar Jazz Buddy Emmons album today.
Do you know what the C6 pedals did on Buddy Emmons' permanent? Maybe same as standard pedals 5,6 and 7?
Also, Jussi what do your pedals do on C6? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 7:23 am
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From the brochure...
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| the basic design of the Sho-Bud will never change. |
Paving the way for the Emmons Original. And the rest is history.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Steve Waltz
From:
USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 10:28 am
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Some permaments had a special reversing cross shaft near the changer. You can see it a bit in this picture to the left. Which I just realized is exactly what Richards' drawing shows except for the stop.
So to get a lower and a raise, one rod would go to the raise and the second would go to the extra puller on the reversing thing, which turns a pull into a release. On my permanent the release is actually the new puller pushing back on the rod since the collar is on the side closer to the changer finger. Either way will work it just changes how the springs holding the lower in place are arranged. On my perm there is a spring attached to the lower rod itself and it is pulling it back against the lowering part.
On older guitars there isn't a single lowering cross shaft but individual flat bars mounted to travel like a wheel horizontally like the neck. They are mounted with one screw in the middle. The pull attaches to one side and the lower to the other. I think they aren't very stable because of that single screw and they take up a bunch of room.
Later perms raised the crosshafts off of the guitar more so that pullers would fit above or below that shaft. One way was a pull the other was a lower.
kind of like this if you can see it. Notice pedal 6.
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 1:32 pm
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| I'm pretty sure that by the time Buddy recorded SGJ he had added a seventh pedal. He definately has the standard 8th pedal boo wah change on the album and I've seen a photo of him with the same guitar and seven pedals. C6 pedals on mine are the same standard ones as pedals 5-8 on a modern day guitar, I believe that's pretty much what Buddy had on his too. |
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 5:43 pm
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BTW, this undercarriage posted above is
a Miller Custom rather than a Sho-Bud.
~Rw
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 24 Feb 2010 11:45 pm
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Here's that SGJ/catalog guitar with the 7th pedal added:
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