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Dale Ware
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Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 3:45 pm |
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I just bought a Sho-Bud that looks new except for a little cracking in the finish on top. I don't know much about these guitars but wanted an amp that went with it. Can anyone tell me anything about the year it was made? Here are a few pics.
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 3:52 pm
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Sho Bud 6139.. In REMARKABLE condition.. Rack and barrel pull system, single raise and lower.. Probably early 70's or so... May be a bit earler.. I have its big brother ,sitting here in pieces getting set up to hopefully play... Your is as clean and original as they come. bob
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 4:22 pm
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| Serial # 5572? Probably around May, 1974. From the serial number thread, a #56-- was dated as June, '74. |
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Dale Ware
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Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 4:38 pm Sho-Bud
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| Yes, the serial # is 5572. I really appreciate the information. |
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 6:50 pm
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| . . . single raise and lower |
Incorrect: It will raise and/or
lower each string as many times
as how ever many pedals and
levers you have.
~Russ
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 8:39 pm
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| Russ Wever wrote: |
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| . . . single raise and lower |
Incorrect: It will raise and/or
lower each string as many times
as how ever many pedals and
levers you have.
~Russ |
I'm confused  how can you raise or lower the same string with 2 different pedal or knee if it only has 1 hole for raise and 1 hole for lower?, i think what you meant to say is he can raise or lower any strings with any pedals or knee lever but can only have one raise and one lower on any string.
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 8:48 pm
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how can you raise or lower the same
string with 2 different pedal or knee
if it only has 1 hole for raise and 1
hole for lower? |
By having a brass barrel (tuning barrel)
at the intersection of the pull-rod and
the rack.
How do you suppose this guitar would
support a conventional E9th set-up,
whereby the 5th string must be raised
by the A pedal and also raised by the
C pedal?
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i think what you meant to say is he
can raise or lower any strings with any
pedals or knee lever but can only have
one raise and one lower on any string. |
This guitar could be set up, for example,
such that pedal #1 raises the, let's say,
6th string up a whole-tone while pedal #2
lowers the same 6th string a half-tone,
and pedal #3 raises the same 6th string
by a half-tone and the knee-lever lowers
the same 6th string by a whole-tone.
The same pull-rod is used to independently
tune each of the two raises, while the
lower-rod is used to independently tune
each of the two lowers.
~Russ
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 16 Feb 2010 10:20 pm
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Great system (but a little noisy) If you had a barrel behind every rack on one pull rod, EVERY pedal and lever would actuate the finger (and be individually tunable). Truly an infinite pull changer. In my opinion, one of the best ever produced, but could use some refinements.
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 12:02 am
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| Pat Comeau wrote: |
I'm confused how can you raise or lower the same string with 2 different pedal or knee if it only has 1 hole for raise and 1 hole for lower?, i think what you meant to say is he can raise or lower any strings with any pedals or knee lever but can only have one raise and one lower on any string. |
In the rack and barrel all pull system, each raise or lower rod passes through all the racks. You can place multiple barrels (which are just adjustable collars) on a given rod behind any rack so it is activated by any (or all) pedals or knee levers.
In that one sense, it's similar to a push-pull which has only one pull rod and lower rod per string. By setting up bell-cranks w/ collars you can engage any given rod on as many knees or pedals that you desire. |
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 5:07 am
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| Russ Wever wrote: |
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| . . . single raise and lower |
Incorrect: It will raise and/or
lower each string as many times
as how ever many pedals and
levers you have.
~Russ |
Sorry for the confusion.. Most "steel guitar" people know sho bud used racks or two hole pullers with this changer, and with the use of the thread brass barrels could make as many pulls as you want, but I was under the impression this was known as the single raise and lower changer .. Thats how I have heard it referred to. bob
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Tony Glassman
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The Great Northwest
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 7:58 am
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Here's a great link showing the rack and barrel system. Scroll down to the "underbelly" pix (photos #5 and #6).
You can see good examples of multiple barrels on both string 5 (pedals 1,3) and string 4 (pedal 3,LKL) as well as the rods passing through the changer.
Although the changer is only single-raise/single-lower, the unique pull rod train w barrels & racks allow multiple raises/lowers on any given string.............
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=171565&highlight=rack+barrel |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 8:44 am
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I have 5 pulls on my 4th string. E-raise/lower, C-pedal, when the E-lower in engaged I raise the 4th string to F on pedal 5, and E on pedal 6...sort of a universal tuning way. They all pull in tune and easy. I like the rack and barrel feel, as well as the way that it moves the notes...not as immediatly as most new guitars. Just my opinion.
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Bill Terry
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Bastrop, TX
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 10:59 am
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I've heard this single/single changer with barrels called 'infinite raise lower' as well.. perhaps a bit more accurate?
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 12:45 pm
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I've heard the same thing, Bill.
And it's like another "chromatic" steel guitar terminology thing; if you can only raise or lower as many times as you have pedals/levers to do so, it's not really an infinite raise and lower, is it?
Thought I'd bring that up before our friend Mr. Bovine does! 
That's a pretty guitar, case in excellent shape also. You don't see very many of those in original shape anymore.
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Bill Terry
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 5:41 pm
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| ...if you can only raise or lower as many times as you have pedals/levers to do so, it's not really an infinite raise and lower, is it? |
Well... I guess I agree, Herb.. but only when you run out of room for more pedals and levers.. 
I do agree about the guitar though... That's a really clean and un-thrashed sample. My experience with several of the Sho-Buds with either rack-and-barrel, or barrel-on-pullers is that "lower miles" = "much better tuning stability". I'll bet that guitar will tune and play great. Nice one Dale!
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Dale Ware
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Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 7:53 pm Sho-Bud
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| I really appreciate the information and comments on the guitar. I guess now I just need to see about more knee levers. Do you think it would be ok to alter it some in that way? Thanks, Dale |
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 8:17 pm
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Dale
There are those that would say a mint condition 6139 would best be kept original, but if ANYTHING is done to it, an undercarriage like John Coop or James Morehead makes should be installed. Two-hole bellcranks, and parts machined of a quality Sho~Bud could only fantasize about. You should start by adding 3 knee levers.
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Dale Ware
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Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 17 Feb 2010 8:56 pm Show-Bud
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| Herb, I'll bring it to the Dallas show and maybe you can stop by my table and take a look at it and give better advice. If I keep it it will have to have the knee levers to be practical. But, maybe not I can't really play anyway. Thanks, Dale |
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2010 10:34 am
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Very, very nice ~Bud Dale!
Now you need to tell us about the amp you were after  |
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Dale Ware
From:
Texas, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Feb 2010 2:46 pm Sho-Bud
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| Kevin, It is a 1973 Pro-Reverb that is newer than the Sho-Bud. It still has all the paper work in the back. The wiring diagram, warranty card, ect. The only thing not original is two ugly handles on each side that the original owner put on it. The man I got them from bought them both new and never learned to play. I guess I fit in that same mold but I keep trying. Thanks, Dale |
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2010 3:14 pm
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| Thanks Dale! Two very cool items. |
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