The first Vertical knee you would install on E9 and why?

Scott Appleton · From: Ashland, Oregon

I am polling all out there .. What change do you like on a vertical lever if you
only had one? G# DROP to E, B to Bb, F# to G or something els.. This would be on a standard 3 and 4 set up like a LDG but you could add a vert on the left side?

Jerry Bull · From: Republic, MO, USA

This might seem a little to simple and only scratch the surface but I raise my G# to a B because I like being able to move in and out of a unison with the 5th string. But I also have another "strange" change as well, I lower strings 3 and 6 with my 0 pedal a full tone. All sorts of cool things with that one.
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Bill Myrick · From: Pea Ridge, Ar. (deceased)

I lower 6 a half tone. In "the old days" we called it a "bump lever"--

Bob Carlucci · From: Candor, New York, USA

Clete Ritta · From: San Antonio, Texas

I added the B to Bb vertical on my Mullen S10 to make it a 3X5. I like being able to change the AB to a minor with the vertical and adding the E lower for a diminished and resolve to no pedals.
Ive always found it harder to go from AB to half pedal A /B than B alone to half pedal A /B.

Clete

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I have my B-Bb (5 and 10) on RKL rather than the more-common location of LKV because it's easier (for me) to use it in conjunction with pedals.

My choice would be the 'Isaacs' pull on LKV - 5th: up to C#, and 6th: up to A. Lots of good stuff with this, including a nice full major 7th on strings 6-3, and a very useful 5th note on the 10th string under a '4' chord on 6,5 and 4.

It's all very personal, and dependant on what you want to achieve musically - everyone will have a slightly different priority.
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Steve Leal · From: Orange CA, USA

Since it is more akward for me to use my vertical lever, I raise string #1 a whole step and raise string #2 a half step. This gets me those Paul Franklin style licks with relative ease when either used in conjunction with open strings 3-5, pedal B only 3-5 (E suspended), or pedal A only 3-5 (C#m).

On my steel, I drop my B's to Bb's using a knee lever because it forms differnt chords when used with lowered E's and pedal A & B combinations.

Rather than using a lever to raise strings #1 and #7 a half step to get the 7th lick with pedals A&B activated, I get the same notes by playing one fret higher while lowering E's, lowering B's and stepping on pedal A only.

One other thing with my lever that drops my E's, I also drop #9 a half step because it makes single note runs easier on the lower stings.

My $.02. Good luck and have fun!

Scott Appleton · From: Ashland, Oregon

596 views and 5 responses? come on steel people gotta be more thoughts on this subject.. how about the E to F# raise .. is the Vert just a gimmick lever or one that can be employed to greater advantage ..

Georg Sørtun · From: Mandal, Agder, Norway

Well, since you mentioned the E to F#... Smile

I use the LKV as kind of a switch, so I can choose whether to use LKL to raise 4th and 8th strings E to F or to F#. The LKV also switches LKR to lower E strings to D# or to D. So one vertical lever gives me two additional changes, and a "switch-lever" works much more stable/reliable than any half/full note "feel stop".

Got RKL for the 3rd and 6th string G# to F# lower, and RKR for the 5th and 10th string B to Bb lower + 2d string D# to D lower. Along with the 3 regular foot pedals (Emmons), those 4 levers + the "switch" covers nearly all I want on a PSG.

Brint Hannay · From: Maryland, USA

A different slant on the question: I use five levers on the left knee--two left, two right, and a vertical. Of the levers beyond the basic two, I personally find the second left-moving lever (further to the front of the guitar) the easiest to use, physically. If I were adding one lever to a 3 X 4 guitar, I'd probably add that rather than a vertical. But everybody's different. And if resale is a consideration, the vertical is more "standard".

Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

Roger, I had the B to Bflat lever on RKL on my other steel and liked it too. Now I have it on LKV and it's okay. I did it because I raise strings 1 a whole step and 2 a half step on RKL now. With B&C pedals down and the B lowers make a nice diminished chord too.
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Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

In '77 or '78, I got my first S-12 ShoBud which came with 3 FP and 4 KL. A short while later I moved the A & B pedals over to the 2nd and 3rd positions and started lowering strings 3 & 6 from G# to G on the 1st pedal. I then added a vertical knee lever which raised the 4th string E to F# to replace the C pedal which I didn't have anymore.....

My current steel (BMI S-12) came as a U-12 and lowered the 5th & 9th strings B to Bb but I took the 9th string lower off and put it on the bottom side of my LKL...........JH in Va.
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Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

I've had the B to Bb on LKV on just about every steel I've owned. I don't have it on my current steel, Emmons Lashley Legrande II. I thought about ordering the parts to put that lever on, but I can get the same effect by backing up 1 fret using strings 5 and 3 and raising my G# to A. I still miss that LKV though.

terry

Brian McGaughey · From: Orcas Island, WA USA

You guys who lower 5 and 10 with a left vertical lever, are you lowering the B 1/2 tone, or lowering the pedaled C# 1/2 tone?

I've got a new (to me) guitar and the vertical knee is set to lower C# to C, (although B to Bb is just a hex wrench away), and doesn't support a split tuning. From what I can tell, I can tune one or the other, pedaled C#s down 1/2 or Bs down 1/2.

Getting the 3rd scale tone 1/2 lowered for a minor chord with AB doesn't strike me as anything unique, as minor triads are never far away from anyplace using the E lowers, the A pedal or BC combo, or 567 AB.

Youz guys must be lowering the B to Bb without the A pedal, right? Lowering the 5 scale tone 1/2.

I'll have to experiment with it later today.

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

The split-tuning on my two Emmons LeGrande 111s allows a reliable 'C' note when my B-Bb lower (that's RKL for me) is engaged along with my pedal.

Having said that, as often as not I'll still half-pedal the 'C' (I play 'Day') to get that note - no reason except that it's something I practiced at one point and now I can do it on the fly pretty accurately.

Terry S.: That's only one of many uses for the 5/10 lower - it's really useful when playing '9,6,5' (with or without pedals) grips as well. Moving a fret up or down won't accomodate much of what's available. Certainly lowering the 5th makes that phrase from Tom Brumley's 'Together Again' solo much easier, but he obviously managed it without that pull.
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Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Clete Ritta · From: San Antonio, Texas

Fred Glave · From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

One big use for the B-Bb is to hit a 7th chord in open position(no other pedals engaged). Back down one whole step with just the B lever to get the I-7th, or stay at the 1st postition open while pressing the B lever to get a II-7th.
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Jim Robbins · From: Ontario, Canada

My B - Bb lever is on a different knee than E raise and lowers and I am increasingly fond of this arrangement and the B-Bb lever. In combination with the E raise and lowers and A pedal you can get every interval between a 5th and a maj 2nd on the 4th and 5th strings, so there are a lot of possibilities for accompanying a melody on the 4th string with a lower voice on the 5th, i.e., '2 note' melodies. (Never mind the many other uses of B - Bb which have been pointed out elsewhere.)

Gerald Menke · From: Stormville NY, USA

I lower my B strings with a vertical on my left knee. There are some great dom7 voicings available as a "2 down" lower, as another poster mentioned, and there's a cool move Mickey Adams taught us that involves lowering the 5th string a half-step with the LKV and the 6th string a whole-step with (in my case) RKL. Both my push-pull, which has no splits, and my Williams, which does, have a LKV on the B strings.

Hope this helps in your decision.

Gerald

Rick Winfield · From: Pickin' beneath the Palmettos

I lower the 5th and 10 strings 1/2 step on my vertical. All sorts of uses, and chords. Fun to play with
Rick

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