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Jim Peters
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 11:58 am |
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I really want to like her. She has some cute songs, seems down to earth, has a really good band, but...... she just flat out cannot sing! She was so flat on Rhiannan(?) that I know Stevie Nicks had to be cringing!
I was almost praying for the autopitch. Surely she has lessons and trainers and such?
jp
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Neil Lang
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 1:05 pm
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She is good at what she does...  ..what she does just ain't my favorite thing. What she does has its place.....but it is running way over the boundarys of everything else. Made possible by the 14 to 20yr olds in control of the $$$ for I-tunes market!
Did I say that right???? Shucks....I don't know anymore.
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 1:24 pm
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It takes years of experience to sing on key in the face of a bad monitor mix or similar unpredictable "live" situations. Stevie Nicks is used to having to rely on hearing her voice in her head, so to speak. Swift needs a few more years under her belt and she'll get good. I don't mind her, actually. It's too bad more of these singers don't get to experience all the crap on the way up. They have to work out all their bugs in front of millions.
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Jaclyn Jones
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 1:48 pm
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Monitor mix? I still remember when we never had any monitors. Now I run into singers, and I use the term loosely, that have hissy fits if the monitor is the the wrong color let alone mixed right.
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John Steele
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 5:02 pm
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I wondered how many minutes we'd have to wait before the monitors took the blame.
There sure are alot of bad monitor mixes out there these days. An epidemic, it seems.
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 5:28 pm
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She's barely 20 and everyone wants to lynch her for being a bit off-key. Of course, everyone on this thread has sang at major awards shows and knows the nature of the challenges this situation can pose. I think she's doing fine for her age and experience.
Mistakenly edited by Brad Bechtel instead of replying. My apologies.
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Joe Alterio
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 8:12 pm
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She sang as part of that Haiti relief effort and they showed it again on CMT on Saturday....she was WAAAAY offkey throughout the song. CMT then showed a snippet of her singing live somewhere a year ago....offkey there too. Then the Grammys.....
Sorry....it ain't the monitors. She cant sing without AutoTune.
Do a google search....the net is abuzz with how awful she is. And yet she gets album of the year. |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 8:18 pm
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I'll take Taylor Swift over the Black-Eyed Peas.....
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 8:45 pm
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| Her handlers did a quick damage control and got the Youtube pulled this afternoon. I can appreciate wanting to cut her some slack because she's 20 and hasn't had time to do her "homework", but this isn't a Sunday night showcase, this is the Grammys. I'm sure there are others, who've also had a lot of money invested in them, who have done their "homework" and aren't feeling as charitable. |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 8:55 pm
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Well I think my brother, Kanye is a little happier after last night...
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Chris LeDrew
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 8:56 pm
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She's just a pawn of record label greed anyway. I doubt she had any opinion about the Grammy's at all, and just got up to perform her duties as she's been assigned. The "grown-ups" around her are making a mint, and this award is just another way for the long list of "Taylor people" to make more money.
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Shane Glover
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 9:16 pm
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Chris I agree with your last post. It is all about money. But they ain't gettin any of mine. Not that they will miss it !!!
Shane
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 10:15 pm
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| Chris LeDrew wrote: |
| She's barely 20 and everyone wants to lynch her for being a bit off-key. Of course, everyone on this thread has sang at major awards shows and knows the nature of the challenges this situation can pose. I think she's doing fine for her age and experience. |
My apologies to Chris; I edited his reply rather than quoting it. It happens to everyone at least once... 
I would cut her some slack if she weren't the Country Music Association New Artist of the Year. At that level of professionalism, she should be singing on key, period. Age has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of other country singers who do sing on key.
I do hope she improves with maturity, but she was pretty awful at the Grammys. At least T-Pain doesn't pretend to sing on key.
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Bob Ritter
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 10:20 pm
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Her voice is probably tired cause they have been working her to death. A couple of weeks rest from acual singing and just working her voice with a coach may be all she needs to find her pitch and correct her problems..When you sing as much as she does and she is still at the age where her voice and body is changing you can lose the spot where you have the break between your chest voice and your head voice...You have trouble knowing do I need to let the sound come up to my head or make it stay down in the chest below my break..then on top of things like vowel prnunciation ect singing is complicatated. Right now her money people are just gonna push her out there
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 10:34 pm
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When I started in the late 50's . The only thing we knew about a monitor was, It was a big bad lizard. YOU BETCHA, DYK?BC.
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John Steele
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Posted 1 Feb 2010 11:33 pm
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Pop Culture sucks. And that's my last word on that
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2010 10:19 am
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| Pop culture is about identity. The thing about Taylor Swift is, she's not about selling music she's about selling wholesome womanhood. Where the music is the medium. If you recall, a lot of country songs were about what it means to be country, pickup trucks, downhome, drinking beer, honesty and that sort of thing as opposed to rims, bitches and ho's. |
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Mark van Allen
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Posted 2 Feb 2010 12:39 pm
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| Well, at least there was some great singing on the Grammy show. I thought Beyonce was hittin' it. Did anybody catch my pal Clay Cook on backup in the opening segment of Zac Brown's set? The boy can really lay it down. |
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Jim Peters
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Posted 2 Feb 2010 1:41 pm
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Zac Brown sounded very good, and on tune. I'm not trying to "lynch" her, I kinda like some of her tunes, she just can't sing on key, and never has on any live stuff tht I've heard. Being young and inexperienced is no excuse, you can either sing on pitch or you can't. The monitor mix is no excuse either.jp
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 2 Feb 2010 4:47 pm
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Mark was your friend the guy who played the B-3 and started off America the Beautiful?If he was, he was incredible.
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Tony Prior
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Posted 3 Feb 2010 4:53 am
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This is the same thread running around over on the other music forums.
Chris is dead right here...comparing Nicks who is a 4 decade seasoned PRO to little TS is really a stretch. Chris is not just a musician but a front singer, he knows what it's like staring at the mics on the big stage, he's been there done that when there was NO sound for him to use as a reference. And so do I. I bet most folks dissing TS have never actually been the front person on a big stage show let alone live TV .Once you have been there and things were real bad, that's when your real stage education begins. A singers education is not the same as playing Steel or Guitar in front of a monitor in the back line.
I was at the Opry not all that long ago( in the seats) Brad P was on stage during the NON TV portion, he was easily singing a half tone from the music, the harmonies were a half tone the other direction, it was ugly...
Can Brad sing ? Of course he can, could he hear ? probably not.
That same night Roy Clark had the same problem, he was so far out of tune vocally and guitar wise he could have woke up a dead cat.
There sure is a lot of TS bashing going on by us musicians across the internet.
Ok, let me know when one of you plays side by side with Paul or Loyd, you better be in tune and not be off pitch or I'm starting a thread.
AND, the fact of the matter is, no matter how good you are if you can't hear or don't have the experience to learn how to hear under adverse conditions (which could take years) you are gonna sing off pitch.
We sure are good at being critical.
Maybe we can find a video of a very young Fleetwood Mac from the early 70's where they were singing way off pitch, I guarantee they did and there is some proof running around out there.
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Tony Prior
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Posted 3 Feb 2010 5:12 am
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| Jim Peters wrote: |
| Zac Brown sounded very good, and on tune. I'm not trying to "lynch" her, I kinda like some of her tunes, she just can't sing on key, and never has on any live stuff tht I've heard. Being young and inexperienced is no excuse, you can either sing on pitch or you can't. The monitor mix is no excuse either.jp |
Zac Brown has been a player on local bandstands for years,has probably already been there done this...I am certain if you were to ask him he would flat out tell you it took experience to overcome the pitch thing. Learn how to hear....
Sorry Jim, being young and inexperienced IS THE ISSUE.
I understand what you are saying but I think you are being a bit tuff on the 20 year old...who yes, sang off key no doubt.
But...
Isn't that why we read the adds that say...
"Experienced Guitar player wanted"....
"Wanted, experienced road savvy musician "
I can't recall every reading an add that stated
"Wanted, young , inexperienced executive , starting salary $250,000"
Experience and maturity matter, especially in this business.
Now if in 10 years she has not stepped up to the plate then I am with you.
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Jim Peters
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Posted 3 Feb 2010 5:28 am
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Hey Tony, how's the weather down in Tennessee? We just missed the bad stuff in St. Louis.
Sorry to disagree with you, but like I said, I'm not trying to bash TS, I even said I like her stuff. But to me, being inexperienced and young is not the issue, being a singer is. There are plenty of examples of young inexperienced singers singing,on big stages and big events and on key also. I have trouble playing in really good pitch on steel, and would have trouble alongside a real pro player, but then I'm not winning an award for steel player of the year!
Not being mean spirited at all, she seems like a cool young lady and I wish her the best, some of her notes are just painful. JP
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Posted 3 Feb 2010 5:37 am
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The monitors are state of the art and those live sound crews are as good as it gets.....Artist rehearsals are spread over a two or three day period to get all the mixes perfect and then "they" sign off on the levels. Those mixes are then stored in the computer...............I thought Jeff Beck was great. I think Taylor is a gifted songwriter. She is obviously charismatic and I think she has the potential to cross over into a full blown acting career.....I thought she sang very well on the George Strait tribute show......To me, her voice fits the music she writes.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 3 Feb 2010 6:14 am
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| Jim Peters wrote: |
| Hey Tony, how's the weather down in Tennessee? |
Hey Jim...
I guess the weathers ok in Tenn..it's not bad here in Charlotte either ! I live in Charlotte, home of all them different kinds of barbeque where they all claim to be the best. !
Anyway, I don't know if TS can sing a lick or not but I do know she does not have near the savvy stage experience of a "Nicks" .
With monitor mixes being modern as Paul states I guess that may mean she can't sing or doesn't know how to listen ? Or maybe she was just flat out intimidated by Nicks ?
and yes, Paul, Beck was stinkin' awesome ! I doubt he needed a monitor! Les Paul, dark glasses..all that good stuff going on in typical JB fashion...
long term JB freak here...
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