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Paul Chandler
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California, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2010 1:21 am |
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What I know:
10 strings, 3 pedals, 1 knee lever
Bottom of frame is stamped 400-8-SN 01833
Thoughts?
and Thanks!
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 17 Jan 2010 5:39 am
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| Modified Fender 400 |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 17 Jan 2010 6:33 am
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HEAVILY modified Fender 400!
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Ulf Edlund
From:
Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 17 Jan 2010 2:40 pm
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I have been told, on several occations i might add, that it's called a keyboard 
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 7:38 am Modified Keyboard
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How does it sound and play?
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Paul Chandler
From:
California, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 4:49 pm
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How does it sound and play? Well, that´s the issue.
Guitar, bass or voice - I do well, but steel? Lets just say I have great respect for a real player.
It was my father´s who passed away 10+ years ago. I get it out about once a year, play for awhile till I think it sounds OK, then record myself and find my personal reality is NOT based on truth.
So, I feel I´m not qualified to answer the question.
I have decided it´s time to move on. What I would like to do is sell it and get a fretless bass. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 5:19 pm
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| VERY heavily modified Fender 400! |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 6:24 pm
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VERY CLEVERLY HEAVILY modified Fender 400!
With a lovely NEW body.  |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 6:40 pm
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uh, I think it has a few Fender 400 parts...
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Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 6:44 pm
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| I got it one piece atta time, and it didn't cost me a dime. You'll notice me when I come to your towwwwwwn... |
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Paul Chandler
From:
California, USA
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Posted 18 Jan 2010 10:28 pm
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So, it´s ¨custom¨ made based on a Fender 400 with mostly fender parts, making it difficult to price it without seeing/playing it live (please don´t attempt to play it dead, it might scare the cat).
Would there happen to be anybody in the CA north bay area who could help me?
Thanks.
paul |
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Ulric Utsi-Åhlin
From:
Sweden
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 12:44 am
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...look at that horizontal leverage pull system...
McUtsi |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 2:12 am
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CORRECTION for all the Fender buffs, it's a modified 800.. the system with the double raise and lower.look again at the pickup and bridge/knuckles..
BTW I had a 12 string single neck in 1974 that had a system of levers like that, but the makers name eludes me, could it have been an MSA ? |
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 5:22 am
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Right Baz!!  |
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Tommy Bannister
From:
Hampshire, UK
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 6:22 am Re: Instrument Identification
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| Paul Chandler wrote: |
What I know:
10 strings, 3 pedals, 1 knee lever
Bottom of frame is stamped 400-8-SN 01833
Thoughts?
and Thanks!
pAUL it would be good for the steel guitar forum
to have a national data bassed store of psg Id numbers and their owners ID IN CASE OF THEIR PSG GETTING STOLEN.(JUST A THOUGHT)
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Gary Cosden
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 6:34 am
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| Hey Basilh - I'm curious. How did this lever system work and feel compared to the cable system? You say 1974 - do you remember? Thanks |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 19 Jan 2010 1:37 pm
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| Gary, all I can say is that NOTHING compares to the cable system ask Bobbe Seymour. |
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Paul Chandler
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2010 12:38 am
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| I´m going to attempt to sell it. Is $900 a good starting point? |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 20 Jan 2010 4:55 pm
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| I doubt if you'll get $900 for it. |
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Paul Chandler
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2010 6:55 pm
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$900 is too much.
OK and thank you. I needed to start somewhere and figured I might as well start optimistic (bordering on delusional). |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 20 Jan 2010 8:24 pm
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A Fender 800 in good condition wouldn't cost that much, so based on that I would estimate that you MAY get $300-500 depending on the buyer's needs.
To a Fender guitar collector or player the parts of value that are hard to get would be :- The changer and the Tuning pan and tuners. The rest would be of limited interest and the 10 string "Jaguar" style pickup is the least favoured one of the Fender Steel guitar Range.
The non adjustable legs and the undercarriage mechanism would hold little or no value. Probably the Bird's eye maple body would attract a buyer.
On E-Bay you may realize my higher estimate and parted out you may get the highest price, but as a player, not much value, as even a "Student" model would have at the least 4 knee levers and three pedals.
The single knee lever puts it firmly in the collectors only bracket, but the non originality of the instrument precludes any intrinsic value as a "Collector's" guitar. IMHO
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Bobby Burns
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 21 Jan 2010 7:10 am
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To Me, it would depend on how well that pulling system functions. If the pedals work as easy as they do on my ZB (with similar pulling system), I'd think someone could get a lot of use out of this. If the pedals are real stiff, it wouldn't bring much. I personally think it looks cool. If I had it, I'd re-fin the metal, add a couple of knee levers and be proud as heck of it.
PS. $900 is Way too much! |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Feb 2010 1:11 pm
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As Bobby mentioned, the mechanism is basically a ZB-type. I just finished semi-restoring a D-10 ZB and the entire lever/plate system is ZB all the way (not ZB parts, but ZB design).
IMO it's a dumb conversion though. The ZB design has so many friction points it's really clunky unless everything is adjusted VERY precisely, which is very, very difficult to do on a ZB, much less one made somewhat like a ZB using hardware-store bolts and such. Looks like you'd have to dip it in a tank of TriFlow to lube the thing.
It'd call it a "downgraded" mechanism. The original 800 cables would work far more smoothly from my perspective, just based on the pictures. And the mechanism conversion makes it harder to add knee levers - specific placement could be a real problem because of the huge amount of real estate all those plates take up.
However - IF the mechanism works OK it could be a fun player - although the pickup isn't a well-thought-of as the large, flat Jazzmater-type it's much better from a noise standpoint and still has a very "Fendery" tone (bright but with a ton of low end, and this particular design - the Jaguar pickup - has far more mids than the earlier ones, or Tele and Strat-types).
$900 would be an OK price for a dead-stock 800 in really nice shape; this is a $500 guitar IMO; and parted-out it could be a $700 guitar.
Also - he serial number glitch is a perfect example of why Fender pedal steel serial numbers are meaningless. They're non-sequential, "model numbers" show up on wrong instruments (this has been seen more than once) and even duplicates have shown up. I'd love to compile a list but just don't have the time, and I'm not sure it would have any meaning at all!
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1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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