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Ray Montee


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Post  Posted 12 Jan 2010 10:22 pm    
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Have any of you that have posted on YOU Tube given any thought about cleaning up the background clutter in one's bedroom, living room, dining room, garage or where ever?

Minds tend to wander while they're being entertained.

One of my first attention grabbers is 'the clock on the wall'. WHAT TIME IS IT?

All the electrical/guitar cords that are strewn about and/or tangled up in and around the guitar doesn't seem to enhance the image of one's great musical contribution either.

It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl?

One can get a very inexpensive SEAMLESS BACKDROP of neutral color that will eliminate the line in the background that seems to come out of the player's head-bone. Same goes for those distracting green leaved plants that also tend to appear to be growing out of the musician's head or ear or where ever. Likewise, those really dark black SHADOWS resulting in artificial light sources can also be a major distraction to any viewer.

Personally, I think it could help sell the MUSIC just a smidge better as even an amatuer could LOOK PROFESSIONAL What say you?
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Bob Hoffnar


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Post  Posted 12 Jan 2010 10:39 pm    
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It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl?


Wow !

The part about the clock and green plants is fantastic too.
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Larry Lorows

 

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Post  Posted 12 Jan 2010 11:37 pm    
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When I'm looking at a picture of a girl, I don't believe it's her feet I'm looking at. Larry
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John Gould


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 6:32 am     Video
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I thought that was the entire point of "amateur" videos. Being in your own environment with your own stuff. I never pay much attention to the things in the background if I'm watching and listening to the performance of a player. If things where to nice and neat I would think the video was to "Produced" and not a home video.
Thanks my take
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Dick Sexton


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:10 am     Youtube Clutter and Distractions
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Just my opinion. Enjoy it. Play it through the first time, check out what his music room our whatever looks like. See what equipment he's using, or not. See what time he made the video, some of these players are real night owls. See if he was thinking, anybody would even watch, by how he presented himself. See if he was interrupted by a phone, kid, wife or pet. See if the video is broken up, looking like it was edited. One of the youtube videos I've enjoyed the most, was the one David Hartley had his dog dancing in. I can't even remember the name of the song, and don't really care, but I sure enjoyed Davids dog dancing to the music and remember that. If I need or want to know or check out the song, I'll find it.

Then on the first time through, if you heard or saw something of interest, play it again and focus...

"Life's short, be entertained."


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Greg Wisecup


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:20 am    
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No! I've never wondered that.
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Steve English


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:38 am    
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Personally, I am very thankful to those of you who post your videos.

I'm sure they are appreciated by the majority of us!
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Joey Ace


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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:39 am    
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People are going thru a major effort to provide FREE videos for our use and entertainment.

I wouldn't complain.

You can look for my shoes here to determine if it is a low budget production. With a decent sound card you can also hear an annoying tape click.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVf84f6xrBw

If I was posting a video to sell or promote something, the production quality would be much better, such as this promo from my band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omGY1u-x6BU

Two very different scenarios.
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Joe Miraglia


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:39 am    
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Ray, Whats that plate hanging on the wall thats in the back ground in your avatar pic. Look like its coming out of you ear Smile Joe
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John Billings


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:15 am    
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BWAAAAA! Ray! Joe got ya!
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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:29 am    
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I like the background in this pic, made by Billy Jenkins:
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I don't know how to do that in a video, though. My videos just show my music room at home. They aren't professional:
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I agree with Joey Ace on this. I make the videos myself and give them away for free. What right does anyone have to complain about that?
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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:40 am    
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Joey Ace wrote:
You can look for my shoes here to determine if it is a low budget production. [...]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVf84f6xrBw

Laughing Good one, Joey. Cool
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Mike Wilson

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:52 am    
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Imagine, if everyone was Ray Montee...The steel guitar world would be perfect, boring but perfect.

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Don Brown, Sr.

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:05 am    
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Ray, I think that would take all the fun out of it, and make it too commercial.

I'm one for being as you are, why be one thing one place, and just the opposite when at another place.

But I liked the one on the gal and the dirty bottoms of the feet... Now that's Funny!!!! Very Happy

Bob, I like seeing the entire player, as in your vids. It sorta brings it all together.

Ray, lots of videos on the Youtube, have been edited many, many times. Modern technology, makes it so you'd never be able to tell it, but you can bet it has, much like during a studio recording.

I personally, would like hearing them played without any edits, and let the mistakes come as they may or may not. I've yet to hear any player, that I haven't picked up on a bad something here or there, during live performances, at one time or another. I think that's called simply being human. Smile
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Ben Jones


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:35 am    
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Just make sure the bong isnt in the shot. Winking

I dont know if I'd go anywhere near as far as Ray, I never notice models feet, but yeah...a good photographic presentation will often involve less background clutter. I'm sure most making these videos dont care, I know i wouldnt, but if you DO care or are trying to make a professional product for sale, Rays tip is a valid one.

Joey, i thought your band promo video was excellent!


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Stu Schulman


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 12:30 pm    
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Dirty feet? man your creeping me out.
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Jim Eaton


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 1:58 pm    
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Reminds me of the story about the guy who complained when he was hung with an "old" rope.
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Roy Davis


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 2:36 pm    
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I've never even thought about it. I watch and listen to the steel player,the technique,style,tone and ect. trying to pick up anything that will improve my own playing. Of course,I am just a continuing work in progress.
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Wally Pfeifer

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 3:52 pm    
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PICKY PICKY

Ray,-why are you so picky? Or are you just trying to stir stuff up?
See that little red box with the white X at the top right corner of your screen. Just click on it when anything bothers you. All that trash that you don't like will go away. But then all our friend's good music goes away too.
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Bob Simons


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:00 pm    
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Ray! Let's see the bottom of your feet so we know what we are dealing with...I'm beginning to think you and Hankey should have your own dedicated Forum catagory!
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Roger Rettig


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:14 pm    
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Very Happy
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John P. Phillips


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:54 pm    
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Uhhhh, whut wuz tha question ? Laughing Mad Embarassed Alien Muttering Evil Twisted
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Herb Steiner

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 7:58 pm    
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I think that if someone is being distracted by a clock on the wall or plants in the background, he or she is, most likely, not all that interested in the music that's being played or has Attention Deficit Disorder to some degree.

Personally, if the music is listenable at all, I have no problem focusing on the player and the performance. Conversely, if the music isn't listenable or of no interest to me, I simply move on to another video.

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From the two images of you in your post above, I've learned two things. In the lower photo, the CD racks, the 4-shelf lawyer's bookcase, the piano bench, the non-standard steel guitar, and the various acoutrement of the room tells me that you're a man of wide musical taste and great erudition, a thinking man's steel guitarist.

The first photo tells me that Billy Jenkins really likes red. Wink
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Danny Bates

 

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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 8:00 pm    
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foot+phobia
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Eric West


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Post  Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:36 pm    
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I guess Ray doesn't think any more of those here posting their viddys here than he does of the fellow steel players in his area.....

Kinda of like getting your ankles bitten by an annoying cocker spaniel.. for thirty years... that hasn't hunted in fifty...

Now I guess youse will just have to get used to it too..

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It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl?


I dunno guys. I've tried to stay away from Malaysian kiddy porn...

I can tell you this though, neither Ray's nor my avatars are very accurate, though I think mine's a little closer..

I used to get angry at people sometimes and I've always been lucky at insultin' folks I guess....

But I ain't like that anymore..


Wink

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