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Topic: Background clutter.............in those You Tube videos. |
Ray Montee
From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 12 Jan 2010 10:22 pm
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Have any of you that have posted on YOU Tube given any thought about cleaning up the background clutter in one's bedroom, living room, dining room, garage or where ever?
Minds tend to wander while they're being entertained.
One of my first attention grabbers is 'the clock on the wall'. WHAT TIME IS IT?
All the electrical/guitar cords that are strewn about and/or tangled up in and around the guitar doesn't seem to enhance the image of one's great musical contribution either.
It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl?
One can get a very inexpensive SEAMLESS BACKDROP of neutral color that will eliminate the line in the background that seems to come out of the player's head-bone. Same goes for those distracting green leaved plants that also tend to appear to be growing out of the musician's head or ear or where ever. Likewise, those really dark black SHADOWS resulting in artificial light sources can also be a major distraction to any viewer.
Personally, I think it could help sell the MUSIC just a smidge better as even an amatuer could LOOK PROFESSIONAL What say you? |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 12 Jan 2010 10:39 pm
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It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl? |
Wow !
The part about the clock and green plants is fantastic too. |
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Larry Lorows
From: Zephyrhills,Florida, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2010 11:37 pm
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When I'm looking at a picture of a girl, I don't believe it's her feet I'm looking at. Larry _________________ U12 Williams keyless 400
Vegas 400, Nashville 112, Line 6 pod xt |
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John Gould
From: Houston, TX Now in Cleveland TX
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 6:32 am Video
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I thought that was the entire point of "amateur" videos. Being in your own environment with your own stuff. I never pay much attention to the things in the background if I'm watching and listening to the performance of a player. If things where to nice and neat I would think the video was to "Produced" and not a home video.
Thanks my take _________________ A couple of guitars
Fender GTX 100 Fender Mustang III Fender Blues Jr. Boss Katana MKII 50
Justice Pro Lite and Sho Bud Pro II |
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Dick Sexton
From: Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:10 am Youtube Clutter and Distractions
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Just my opinion. Enjoy it. Play it through the first time, check out what his music room our whatever looks like. See what equipment he's using, or not. See what time he made the video, some of these players are real night owls. See if he was thinking, anybody would even watch, by how he presented himself. See if he was interrupted by a phone, kid, wife or pet. See if the video is broken up, looking like it was edited. One of the youtube videos I've enjoyed the most, was the one David Hartley had his dog dancing in. I can't even remember the name of the song, and don't really care, but I sure enjoyed Davids dog dancing to the music and remember that. If I need or want to know or check out the song, I'll find it.
Then on the first time through, if you heard or saw something of interest, play it again and focus...
"Life's short, be entertained."
Last edited by Dick Sexton on 13 Jan 2010 9:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Greg Wisecup
From: Troy, Ohio
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:20 am
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No! I've never wondered that. _________________ Derby SD-10 4&5 Black!(duh)/
Derby D-10/Steelers Choice/
Goodrich 120/ 2- Katana Boss 100's
/Nashville 400
RV-3/ Zoom MS-50G
As long as I'm down in the mix I'm Fantastic! |
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Steve English
From: Baja, Arizona
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:38 am
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Personally, I am very thankful to those of you who post your videos.
I'm sure they are appreciated by the majority of us! |
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Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:39 am
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People are going thru a major effort to provide FREE videos for our use and entertainment.
I wouldn't complain.
You can look for my shoes here to determine if it is a low budget production. With a decent sound card you can also hear an annoying tape click.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVf84f6xrBw
If I was posting a video to sell or promote something, the production quality would be much better, such as this promo from my band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omGY1u-x6BU
Two very different scenarios. |
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Joe Miraglia
From: Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 9:39 am
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Ray, Whats that plate hanging on the wall thats in the back ground in your avatar pic. Look like its coming out of you ear Joe |
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John Billings
From: Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:15 am
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BWAAAAA! Ray! Joe got ya! |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:29 am
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I like the background in this pic, made by Billy Jenkins:
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I don't know how to do that in a video, though. My videos just show my music room at home. They aren't professional:
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I agree with Joey Ace on this. I make the videos myself and give them away for free. What right does anyone have to complain about that? _________________ -𝕓𝕆𝕓- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:40 am
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Good one, Joey. |
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Mike Wilson
From: Mansfield, Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 10:52 am
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Imagine, if everyone was Ray Montee...The steel guitar world would be perfect, boring but perfect.
Last edited by Mike Wilson on 13 Jan 2010 11:55 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Don Brown, Sr.
From: New Jersey
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:05 am
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Ray, I think that would take all the fun out of it, and make it too commercial.
I'm one for being as you are, why be one thing one place, and just the opposite when at another place.
But I liked the one on the gal and the dirty bottoms of the feet... Now that's Funny!!!!
Bob, I like seeing the entire player, as in your vids. It sorta brings it all together.
Ray, lots of videos on the Youtube, have been edited many, many times. Modern technology, makes it so you'd never be able to tell it, but you can bet it has, much like during a studio recording.
I personally, would like hearing them played without any edits, and let the mistakes come as they may or may not. I've yet to hear any player, that I haven't picked up on a bad something here or there, during live performances, at one time or another. I think that's called simply being human. |
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Ben Jones
From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:35 am
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Just make sure the bong isnt in the shot.
I dont know if I'd go anywhere near as far as Ray, I never notice models feet, but yeah...a good photographic presentation will often involve less background clutter. I'm sure most making these videos dont care, I know i wouldnt, but if you DO care or are trying to make a professional product for sale, Rays tip is a valid one.
Joey, i thought your band promo video was excellent!
Last edited by Ben Jones on 13 Jan 2010 12:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Stu Schulman
From: Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 12:30 pm
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Dirty feet? man your creeping me out. _________________ Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Jim Eaton
From: Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 1:58 pm
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Reminds me of the story about the guy who complained when he was hung with an "old" rope.
JE:-)> _________________ Emmons D10PP 8/4 -75'
Emmons S-10PP 3/4 - 79'
Emmons S-12PP 3/4 -78'
MSA Legend SD12 5/5 -06'
Mullen S-12 4/5 - 1986
Nashville 112 x2 W/Knob Guards - Don't leave home with out one!
Walker SS rack system - 12"BW's
Quilter Steelaire Combo |
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Roy Davis
From: Denton, Texas, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 2:36 pm
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I've never even thought about it. I watch and listen to the steel player,the technique,style,tone and ect. trying to pick up anything that will improve my own playing. Of course,I am just a continuing work in progress. |
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Wally Pfeifer
From: Illinois, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 3:52 pm
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PICKY PICKY
Ray,-why are you so picky? Or are you just trying to stir stuff up?
See that little red box with the white X at the top right corner of your screen. Just click on it when anything bothers you. All that trash that you don't like will go away. But then all our friend's good music goes away too.
Wally |
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Bob Simons
From: Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:00 pm
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Ray! Let's see the bottom of your feet so we know what we are dealing with...I'm beginning to think you and Hankey should have your own dedicated Forum catagory! _________________ Zumsteel U12 8-5, MSA M3 U12 9-7, MSA SS 10-string, 1930 National Resonophonic, Telonics Combo, Webb 614e, Fender Steel King, Mesa Boogie T-Verb. |
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Roger Rettig
From: Naples, FL
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:14 pm
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_________________ Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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John P. Phillips
From: Folkston, Ga. U.S.A., R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 5:54 pm
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Uhhhh, whut wuz tha question ? _________________ Just remember,
You don�t stop playing cause you get older,
You get older cause you stop playing ! http://www.myspace.com/johnpphillips |
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Herb Steiner
From: Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 7:58 pm
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I think that if someone is being distracted by a clock on the wall or plants in the background, he or she is, most likely, not all that interested in the music that's being played or has Attention Deficit Disorder to some degree.
Personally, if the music is listenable at all, I have no problem focusing on the player and the performance. Conversely, if the music isn't listenable or of no interest to me, I simply move on to another video.
b0b
From the two images of you in your post above, I've learned two things. In the lower photo, the CD racks, the 4-shelf lawyer's bookcase, the piano bench, the non-standard steel guitar, and the various acoutrement of the room tells me that you're a man of wide musical taste and great erudition, a thinking man's steel guitarist.
The first photo tells me that Billy Jenkins really likes red. _________________ My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg?
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Danny Bates
From: Fresno, CA. USA
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Eric West
From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Jan 2010 11:36 pm
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I guess Ray doesn't think any more of those here posting their viddys here than he does of the fellow steel players in his area.....
Kinda of like getting your ankles bitten by an annoying cocker spaniel.. for thirty years... that hasn't hunted in fifty...
Now I guess youse will just have to get used to it too..
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It's kinda like looking at pix of attractive young ladies or 'girls'...... It's so easy to check the soles of the model's feet in an effort to determine if this is a low budget cheapo photo shoot (dirty feet) or is she really a high class girl? |
I dunno guys. I've tried to stay away from Malaysian kiddy porn...
I can tell you this though, neither Ray's nor my avatars are very accurate, though I think mine's a little closer..
I used to get angry at people sometimes and I've always been lucky at insultin' folks I guess....
But I ain't like that anymore..
EJL |
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