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Topic: looking for a real williams assembly manual |
Steve Metz
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California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2010 1:48 pm |
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Hello there;
I recently purchased a williams 600 series u12 all pull 7 pedals w/ 6knee levers.
It was a beauty and when i got it,i realized that it was customized to fit a left hand player and things needed to be a standard universal setup in order for me to be able to read tab etc.
I completely made it so it's a right hander and removed some rods and had rerouted everything. moved one knee lever to beter access, and removed the other for now, and removed several extra mechanisms that i did't want yet.
I started right away when i first received it from fed express shipment across the country.i got all the pedals correct, and then let it sit there for four mounths until i got my act together again, and last night i finally managed to get all the levers in place , and now i'm ready to tune it up.
I have another d10 zb 8n5 that kept me ok with not having this beauty ready to play right away, so I know about e9 and c6 setups, and mechanical from my experience on the old zb.
I'm going to tune this thing up today and adjust all the stops and stuff to the best of my knowledge.
I'm writing this because i'm a bit upset that when i go on line to the williams guitar site, (2004 last updated ), the owners manual is not available because it's in the works , or so they say.
I hope Im doing the right things to this guitar. without a manual, I've had to research other web sites and try to understand the theoery behind the mechanisms, and at least 4 months later, I still have no manual.
what a beautiful sounding and looking instrument, (in open strumming). but no help from the williams company in providing an owners manual or at least some direction or pictures, order of assembly what needs to be untensioned or backed off , in some sort of order before I begin.
If you can lead me to something similar as far as a diagramatic guide of some sort Ii'd be very appreciative.
It seems that other follks that pay for something like this and try to work things out to make adjustments or just plain want to know how the thing works, must also be frustrated with this "williams situation".
I'm not down playing the williams guitar co., because this is a second hand instrument.
this is my fourth pedal steel that i've owned, and want to keep it.
if someone out there can help me, i can start fixing the things that i know that i thought that i could do right myself which could be close ,......................
But that just guessing , i guess!
somethings on the undercarrriage look to be a bit close and almost hanging up due to the over clutter of customization the previous owner had had done for him befor he sold it to me. this wasn't bad sounding arrangement , but i had to make it basic from the start. i don't want to just jump into the way that this guy thought was right.
he showed his copedant and i just never got an explaniation as to what this guys theories were.
thanks for listening to my story.
share with me if you can .
and thanks for any efforts you have made in making this link available in the first place.
steve metz,ca |
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George McLellan
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Duluth, MN USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2010 3:50 pm
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Steve, The owners manual really doesn't go into what you seem to be describing. Have you called Bill and talked to him about this?
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Barry Hyman
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upstate New York, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2010 4:24 pm
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When I got my new Williams 700 last May the "owners manual" was just four minimalistic sheets. They spend all their time building first-class instruments and don't spend much time on the website or the manual. It turned out to be sufficient for setup and play, but certainly contained no information about repair or other technical specs. But Bill Rudolph is the nicest and most helpful person you could ever want to deal with; just call or email him and your problems will go away immediately. Congrats on your Williams -- I sure love mine!!!
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2010 4:26 pm
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I don't think that the basic mechanism has changed much since 2004. What are you expecting to learn from a manual?
If you need basic help with the mechanism of a modern all-pull guitar, check steelguitarinfo.com. The "rodding" section has some useful charts.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 10 Jan 2010 4:56 pm
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Steve, I was just going to send you the link that b0b sent. This is a sort of generic rodding theory chart that should work fine with your guitar.
I don't know if a print manual is available from Williams or not, you might call Bill and ask or perhaps some other Williams owners. [I got mine used also, so I don't have one either.] I can understand why you would want a manual from the maker of your particular guitar, nothing wrong with that.
I know that Sierra had a detailed manual sent out with their guitars, as did several others.
Good luck with your project. Happy steelin'  |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 11 Jan 2010 5:04 pm
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The manual I received with my Willy 600 was pretty useless. It didn't even have the correct method of tuning split tuners. It shows the set screws in the plate behind the changer, but the guitar uses the extra raise rod method.
It's best to call Bill if you have a problem you can't figure out or get an answer to here. While he is more than happy to help you, remember he is a very busy man.
When I first received my first and second ZB's new from the factory, there were no manuals. When I received my Kline, there was no manual. Most all-pull guitars today are just slight variations on the same undercarriage and changer designs. Pretty much what works on one guitar will work on the others. Generic info on Carter's site should help out in most cases.
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