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George Piburn
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 8:13 am |
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Hello from George MR.Boards
My Question is: What is a Fair Asking Price Fender 1000 - Mint Condition - 10 pedals.
I am selling some instruments for a friend who's husban is passed - she wants a Fair Price.
This player purchased the instrument in 1962 - out in Freemont California and only played it at home. It is all original with the original Case. SunBurst Color and is complete in every aspect. We refuse to turn any screws on it to look for dates and so on , as we feel this could Queer any authentic collectors value.
Once we know what to ask price wise , I will take photos and post it in the For Sale Section.
Thanks for your help.
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 8:24 am
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Bobbe Seymour has a mint Fender 1000 for $3,600.00.
I saw one online at Chicago Music Exchange and they're asking $1,595.00. Recent auctions on eBay have all been under $1,000.00.
If you could post pictures, that might help.
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 10:21 am
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| The "book value" for one in excellent condition at present ranges from $900-$1300, but that's probably a little high considering our economy right now. Without pictures, but in claimed "excellent condition", I'd give it a value of $750-$1000, and that would depend on how the guitar was stored. I've seen otherwise "excellent" examples' value ruined by storage in a basement or garage. (Presence of significant rust or corrosion cuts hundreds of dollars from the value.) |
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Kevin Hatton
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 10:37 am
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| I would say Donny's estimate above is right on. |
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Sam Lewis
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 12:55 pm
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The 1000 came with eight pedals D-8 and the 2000 came wiht 10 pedals. There is a Fender 2000 that looks to be in excellent condition in the Instrumments For Sale section. Asking $1100 or best offer. I bought a 1000 in '63 - great guitar.
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Fred Glave
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 1:13 pm
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The 1000 is a D8, and the 2000 is a D10. I'll be putting my 2000 up for sale soon, unfortunatley. It's not pretty, and it doesn't have all original parts, but it plays and sounds very nice.
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George Piburn
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The Land of Enchantment New Mexico
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 1:37 pm Must be a 2000
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It is a Double 8 with 10 pedals and cable pulls. The Legs and pedal bar are cased separately.
We wouldn't take less than 2500.00 plus shipping on both pieces.
I have the photos ,
Is it worth even showing them ?
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Brad Bechtel
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 1:50 pm
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Based on the previous comments regarding price, I would think that if you intend to sell it, you should definitely provide photos. Especially since that price is on the very high side of what's been mentioned so far.
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Jim Sliff
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 3:04 pm
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It is a Double 8 with 10 pedals and cable pulls. The Legs and pedal bar are cased separately.
We wouldn't take less than 2500.00 plus shipping on both pieces. |
Have you verified it's a '62? What kind of bridge/changer does it have and what type of pedals (chrome stamped or black cast)? A long scale with 10 pedals is a bit unusual (normally it would have  , while a short scale with 10 would be fairly common. I don't have any of my tracking stuff with me, but I do not recall any 1962 sunburts, either. The only positive date ID (as far as the earliest, not latest, possible year) is a dated sales receipt, as none of the usual ID methods work (checking pot codes would probably date it as a '56, Fender having apparently bought about 10 gazillion 1 meg pots in '56 and used them...forever...). Serial numbers are meaningless and have repeated in a few cases. Some have dates written under the tuning pan, but most don't - so the veracity of those is now in question since they can so easily be "filled in" if nothing's there.
If you post pics of the top, bottom, pedal rack and case we may be able to come to a consensus as there are subtle changes at certain points, but all of them are "fuzzy" and overlap by a year or two. But a short-scale would have been manufactured no earlier than very late '63, with a 99% chance it's '64 or later. A sunburst long-scale would most likely be an early '64...possibly late '63, although I've never actually seen a verified one.
Short vs long makes a pretty significant difference, with a dead-mint "1964" and later short scale, black pedal models bringing in far less than a clean, playable long scale with minor (or even major) modifications.
Running the Fender Steel Forum I get pricing questions every other day, track sales, advise eBay sellers, etc.
If you're not going to take less than $2500 you better plan on advertising it for the next 5-10 years, because you're about a grand high on a near-mint 'burst long scale, as Donny noted - although I've seen near-mint "closet classic" types run $1500, that's the stratosphere.
Many guitar players outside the steel world think vintage Fender pedal steels must be worth a sizable amount based on the value of non-pedal models (such as the Stringmaster) and, of course, the comparative sky-high values of same-year Strats and Teles.
But Fender pedal steels are simply not collectable in the way the term is used in the vintage guitar world. They are player guitars, though, and make fun, great-sounding instruments that can be modified without worry about losing 10 grand because of a few extra screw holes or a second pickup routing.
Sorry if this bursts a bubble - but it's the reality. And just in case you consulted them, the vintage price guides (via Vintage Guitar or the Blue Book) prices are not realistic at all. I'm not sure where they get those, as it's certainly not based on sales data.
If you'd like to email the pics instead of post them I'd be happy to check it out. Right now we're barking at the moon, as 1962 doesn't seem a likely year.
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b0b
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 4:51 pm
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| If you're not going to take less than $2500 you better plan on advertising it for the next 5-10 years, because you're about a grand high... |
 That's funny! (True, but still pretty funny.)
Right now, the pedal steel market is down, and guitars are bringing less than they did a year or two ago. That may change, but pedal steels are still a quirky market. For years, I've constantly dealt in all sorts of collectibles. And if time has taught me anything, it's that expecting "top dollar" for most any collectible item means you'll likely wait a year or two to locate the right buyer. (The "right buyer" being someone who has either a strong emotional desire for the item, or a suitably big ego. Business-minded people seldom, if ever, pay "top dollar" for anything.) |
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Bill Hatcher
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 5:12 pm
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| Put it on Ebay for $2500 and if you get no bids then you know it is not worth that. Drop the price down $500 a week till it sells. That will be what it is worth. The whole world watches EBay. |
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George Piburn
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The Land of Enchantment New Mexico
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 6:55 pm Thanks for the Information
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Thanks to all for you information and input.
I am not getting any compensation for helping my friend and she is in no hurry. We are looking for that one person who sees the value in getting this person's special piece.
I will go ahead and post some photos for every to enjoy and make more comments.
The instrument is older than 1962 that is just when he purchased it. The Scale length measures out to 24 1/2". The pedals are chrome - the cast frame has the Black Krinkle paint -
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 7:40 pm
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Looks a lot like mine, George. Click here for more pics.
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Like I said, I got it for $1400 not too long ago, and that seems high compared to prices I've seen since then.
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Ulric Utsi-ร
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Sweden
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Posted 23 Nov 2009 10:56 pm
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Wonder what a Strat of that same vintage would bring
in..?..McUtsi |
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Tony Prior
From:
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 3:47 am
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George and Bob, those are real beauties..
Someone above mentions that Seymour has a mint Steel for $3600. It's not mint, it's better than mint, the story is that it has never been sold by a store and was somehow picked up by a collector , never played and now Bobbe has it. I did see this guitar a few months back and it is nothing short of amazing to see. If there is a way to price something that is STILL BRAND NEW IN THE BOX then that would describe the one Bobbe has, and that's why it is $3600. My guess is that mint would be a notch below that one.
The Steel that is being offered in this thread is a beauty and I would agree with the start high theory. It will sell. A one owner Steel from the era, there will be someone who will jump on it.
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 4:10 am
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| It's not mint, it's better than mint... |
With all due respect, there is no "better than mint". The phrase "mint" is the penultimate, and came from coin collectors. It designated an "as new" coin that hadn't been used or handled, one that had no wear or marks. The example George showed has far to many nicks, scratches, and gouges to ever be called "mint". I'd rate it's condition as "very good" to "excellent". |
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Tony Prior
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 6:22 am
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seriously,  it was meant to explain that it is still brand new. Many of us sell used items and we say they are MINT. The Steel that Seymour has and is selling for $3600 is not actually used, it's basically brand new as opposed to USED in MINT condition.
The comment was used to detail why Seymour is selling his for $3600and to help set a reference for the Steel being sold in this thread. They are both advertised as Mint but side by side they would not be the same , that's all I am saying. One has zero wear thus the premium price.
I know what MINT is .
geeze..tuff crowd...
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George Piburn
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The Land of Enchantment New Mexico
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 6:46 am Many Thanks -- please carry on -- Detail Experts.
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Thanks for explaining all of these Vintage Collectable Details and Terms. That is the reason I've launched this information seeking thread, it helps a lot to be able to provide a more accruate description when we launch a sales effort.
In my universe it is all about creating Brand New Collectors Steel Guitars, and I have Zero eperience with any of the Vintage "Guitar Show" type appraisals that are at the fore front of collectors descriptive interests.
I hope Jim Sliff rings back in with his wealth of history. And everyone else's commentary is facinating - informative - and much appreciated.
I don't suppose any of you want to make a reasonable offer
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Stephen Calhoun
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 8:07 am
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George, your subject asks Fair Price value. I happily overpaid (roughly 30%) for both my clean (but not minty) 400's. ($750)
The 1000 is gorgeous. The bottom shot of the changer-end is awesome! How many pristine 1000's pop up per year in the easily tracked market? (Easily tracked: via eBay; Google Alerts; Craigslist.)
$1,800 is where I'd be at my limit of being tempted if I, speaking just for myself, needed a super sharp 1000.
(Meanwhile, $3,600?! ...and not a Fender PS-210
Old Forum ??!
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Ryan Barwin
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 9:30 am
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That's a beautiful steel.
I think $1600 would be the absolute most it's worth...not that it's not a very nice instrument in mint condition, but Fender 1000's just aren't worth $2500. Even Bobbe Seymour's is way overpriced in my opinion, and the story he has about where he got it still doesn't justify the price.
You did ask for a fair price...
The only way you're going to get $2500 is by ripping off a guitar player who doesn't know about pedal steels, and assumes that vintage Fender pedal steels are worth as much as vintage Fender guitars from the same year.
At a fair price, I'm sure a steel player on the forum who will play and appreciate it, is going to get a very nice and clean Fender.
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Fred Glave
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 11:13 am
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It is a beautiful Fender. I think that if you're friend is set on a specific price, the right place for this steel is on Ebay. Set the reserve for $2,500.00 and see what happens. Give it minimum of 14 days. Put lots of pictures with it. Mention some of the nuggets of info. heard here, and then let the market tell you the truth. It's worth $2500.00 only if someone buys it. That may be the truth Ryan, but this is not his guitar he's selling. Grown ups ready to plop down big bucks for items like this in the real world should understand caveat emptor. I personally don't think it will sell.
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Pete Honychurch
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 12:09 pm
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Noob question:
Do the pulley type Fender pedals have harder travel in the mechanisim than modern ones?
I ask this because I have never tried a pulley type but I know they have nice tone. I have tendon inflamation issues in my feet and I recently bought an Excel 12 string uni that has very nice and easy mechanism. I have played 8 string non pedal for a long time but the pedals are new to me. I am quite proficient on the 8 string and wonder if it would be an easier step to 8 string pedal.
I remember Ken Greer, the steel player in Red Rider played a fender pulley type. Sounded great. He always carried a soldering repair kit for when the cables would snap in the middle of a show..... |
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 6:45 pm
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Pete, the action on a cable guitar (like a Fender) is fairly stiff but fast. It feels different than a modern guitar with rods. If the changer gets all gummed up, then the action is really stiff (and even more likely to break cables.)
The stiff-but-fast action is part of the Fender sound, as much as the tone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6KzGeEX6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPTYimAE7E
If you're new to pedals, universal is probably difficult...in my experience going from non-pedal steel to an 8-string Fender pedal steel, to a D-10 Excel, it was easier to play E9 with 10 strings than with 8 strings. The lack of knee levers on 8 string guitars can be a problem. But there's no reason you can't put only 8 strings on a 10 or 12 string guitar. And you're not likely to find a guitar with a better mechanism than an Excel.
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Pete Honychurch
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Posted 24 Nov 2009 7:48 pm
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Thanks for that informative reply Ryan. I hear what you mean. Looks like Al Perkins had knee levers on his Fender to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPTYimAE7E
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