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Topic: S-10 Alone or on D-10 Body with a Pad |
Jon Steel
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Bay Area, California
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 1:27 pm |
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S-10 on a single S-10 body (no pad) ...
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S-10 on a D-10 body with a pad ...
Which is best for a beginner? Pad or no pad?
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 1:36 pm
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Jon,My Desert Rose is in between a S and a D with a small pad very comfy,Stu 
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 2:01 pm
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The SD10 will give you a bit more knee lever room - and somewhere to rest your head between practice sessions ! 
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 3:33 pm
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Paddy,I nap in between songs these days,Stu 
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Sonny Priddy
From:
Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 3:39 pm Sd10
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| I Think The SD10 with Pad Has A better Sound Also. Just My 2 cents. |
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Jeff Hyman
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 4:03 pm
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| I prefer the padded SD10. Plenty of good reasons already posted. What has not been mentioned, is all the crap you'll hear from the other players with the C6 all strung up with those pretty tuning knobs. Keep in mind, it doesn't matter if they can play it or not (E9 or C6)... they feel superior that they have the extra playable neck. You guys know who you are. Don't hold back! It's OK to defend yourselves. |
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Brendan Mitchell
From:
Melbourne Australia
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 4:29 pm
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I started on an S10 . I have a D10 at home but don't use the C6 .I would always prefer an S10 just for the weight factor and the ease of setting up and tearing down , don't see the point in lugging around all that extra stuff .Of course if you want the C6 you can either go universal or D10 .The only reason I have the D10 is that I wanted a ZB and this one came up for sale in Australia .I would like to make an SD10 plus an S10 out of the leftovers , I know ZB purists will cringe at this but being in a pedal steel desert limits my choices .
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 4:29 pm
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| I think the SD10 would have a better resale value. I like them because it just feels more comfortable to me having the guitar body up close but having the neck out a little farther. |
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 5:27 pm
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Jeff your right - having a D10 does make me feel superior
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14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
08'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
94' Franklin Stereo D10 9+8
Telonics, Peterson, Steelers Choice, Benado, Lexicon, Red Dirt Cases. |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 6:28 pm
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Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Dave Hopping
From:
Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 8:27 pm
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| I like the SD frame.It's just more comfortable having something to rest both arms on.My first steel was a Fender/Sho-Bud S10,and I remember the muscle tension in both arms from having to hold them up while playing. |
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Dave Harmonson
From:
Seattle, Wa
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Posted 3 Nov 2009 8:57 pm
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My 2 cents is that anyway you decide will work. I first played on a single Fender then an S10 Shobud. I got a D10 MSA in 1982 and played that until I got a D10 GFI 3 years ago. This last summer I picked up an S10 Bud Pro One and I didn't even think about the difference until I went to play it. It did feel awkward for a while without the other neck, but I've adapted now where it feels comfortable. My point being you can get used to whatever set up you have with some practice and if you're not used to anything yet it really shouldn't make a lot of difference. I noticed from the posted clips from Michael Nesmith that Red Rhodes managed to sound just fine on a single 10.
Try out a few steels if you can and jump in the pool and get wet. It's a fun ride. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 11:33 am
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I prefer S-10/12 guitars. I've never felt the need to "rest" my arms on a pad. I suppose body shape and posture have something to do with it also. I just never liked reaching across the C6th neck to the "money" neck. I'm 6'2" so the reach shouldn't be uncomfortable, but the way I "address" the guitar makes me prefer no pad.
Then again,,,, Anything you do, you gotta get used to! And,,, Ricky got 6 levers under my ShoBud S-10. No problem to play at all. Perhaps guys who like the SD-10 style for knee levers have a different physique than me. Lotta variables. |
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Chris Schlotzhauer
From:
Colleyville, Tx. USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 11:46 am
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I have 2-D10's and 1-S10.
In the Bud Charleton students thread, they all had the advise from Buddy about keeping that right elbow in. In some cases, he even tied a string around the student holding his elbow in.
I think playing the E9th neck, reaching over the back neck of a D10 has taught me some bad habits, by putting my right hand in a bad position. After reading that thread and observing my right elbow position, I found that it is nearly impossible to keep my elbow in on E9. It's easy on the C6 neck.
Just my 2 cents, but I am reconsidering some things right now. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 12:02 pm
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| Paddy Long wrote: |
| Jeff your right - having a D10 does make me feel superior |
No doubt about it, that plethora of strings and pedals looks cooler. Only problem is--if you DON'T play the back neck (as I don't)--when observant audience members remark "I notice you seem to only use the pedals on the end" and you have to explain that you have an entire neck and group of pedals for nothing. Tends to make it (really you) seem less impressive.  |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 3:03 pm
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 3:29 pm
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| Brint Hannay wrote: |
| Only problem is--if you DON'T play the back neck (as I don't)--when observant audience members remark "I notice you seem to only use the pedals on the end" and you have to explain that you have an entire neck and group of pedals for nothing. Tends to make it (really you) seem less impressive. |
I don't play the back neck much either (rather, I play at it!) That said, if you've got a back neck - learn to do something on it, even it it's only to play a little rhythm.
Trust me, you'll feel better.  |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 4 Nov 2009 5:18 pm
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I'm with Donny on that... with a little practice you can do bari gtr parts on the back neck.
As far as the original question, after playing a single 10 for years & years, I like having the arm support of either a pad or a back neck. I think it helps your E9 technique. |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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