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Topic: E9 - Anybody lowering 3, 6 to G instead of raising 1, 7 |
Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 12:13 pm |
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I notice that during a night of playing I just don't use my 1 and 7 raises very much. I know that the common use of the G note on those strings is for a Dom 7th with pedals AB down. For whatever reason though, I prefer the sound of sliding down 2 frets and releasing A and lowering my E's instead.
If I get the G on 3 and 6 instead, it seems like the end result is similar enough for the AB down 7th chord and I can access a lot of new ideas with the G#'s lowered.
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 12:50 pm
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I thought about the pedal idea - but I really want to keep my C pedal as is. I would also guess on a knee I can use it more smoothly with the A and B pedals.
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 1:11 pm
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Al Brisco told me that the reason it's not usually done is because on older steels, the third string doesn't always return to pitch, and breaks even more often than it does with only a raise on it.
I raise 1 and 7, and use it all the time, but lowering 3 and 6 would be a very useful change to have...it would allow you to play minor chords, (G# lower, A pedal, and 1/2A+B), in the same place as the "pedals up", A+F and A+B major positions.
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Georg SΓΈrtun
From:
Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 1:12 pm
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| I lower 3d and 6th to F# with RKL, which gives me G raised with the B pedal. Use this combination a lot. |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 2:03 pm
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I have G#-G on the "0" pedal on my SD-12 Ext E9th MSA Legend as part of my 5/5 set up on that guitar.
So with that change it provides 4 minor positions.
A-pedal, "0"-pedal, BC-pedals, E-Eb KL. If you split your A pedal with the B-Bb KL that would make 5 minor positions and if you include the 7-6-5 grip with AB down it makes 6 minor positions.
JE:-)>
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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John Phinney
From:
Long Beach California, USA
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 2:25 pm
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I have the 3rd and 6th string G# - G lower on my LVL. A nice chord suspension can be had with that and the A pedal.
I could only get this pull to work on my GFI by installing Dale Hansen's knee lever "lift kit", otherwise there wasn't enough room to make the pull work.
I play with a number of "alt country" acts and there's a lot more call for minors than dom7s in the songwriting style so that's why I currently have it in my copedent.
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Damien Odell
From:
Springwood, New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 28 Sep 2009 2:36 pm
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I have this change on strings 3 and 6 on both my guitars via LKR. I put it on when I started playing about 5 years ago as it seemed the most logical and easiest way to get an open minor without having to think about 2 frets back with B/C etc. Having that change and B-Bb lower on LKV it made sense that for every major position there was a minor there too....it made things easier for me as a beginner.
I find now that I am using it less and less, and may even use that lever for something else if I need to.
I occasionally use that change to acheive a dom 7th chord with A pedal down, but it's an awkward position using A pedal with LKR. |
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Lonnie Zsigray
From:
Saint Louis,Mich., USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2009 2:43 am
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I raise 1 and lower 6.Hardly ever used the raise on 7.
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2009 8:27 am Yes & No??
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I have the 6th string lower to G, but not the 3rd, don't know why, but I use that pedal quite a bit. I have it on I guess you could call it the '0' pedal on my old MSA Classic S-12U.
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Peter Nylund
From:
Finland
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Posted 29 Sep 2009 10:18 am
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well, I have both. 
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Greg Gefell
From:
Upstate NY
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Posted 5 Oct 2009 10:54 am
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I'm still trying to figure out where to put this change so I temporarily tuned 3 and 6 to G to experiment with combination changes.
It seems that this change is most useful alone and with raised and lowered E's, the D/C# lever and the A pedal. What this means is the G# to G lower needs to be in one the following positions as I do not want to move either of the left knee changes.
The lower option has the most combination possibilities but I've never seen 2 and 9 on a verticle - 
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Norman Evans
From:
Tennessee
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Posted 8 Oct 2009 6:34 am
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I use my RKL for this change. I did away with the 1&7 raise as I didn't use it very much. I really like the cords I can get with this change.
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