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Topic: Thread size Carter rods |
Malcolm McMaster
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Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 15 Sep 2009 1:09 pm |
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| A friend has stripped one of the rods on his Carter at the Nylon tuner(it is rod and not the nylon tuner), could some of you guys tell me what the thread measurement is? so he can get a new rod threaded from a local engineering shop.Does anyone know if it same as MSA Millenium. Thanks |
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Sep 2009 1:21 pm
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| 4-40 is the correct size. |
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 15 Sep 2009 1:23 pm
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| thanks John much appreciated. |
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A. J. Martinez
From:
Ca.
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Posted 15 Sep 2009 6:27 pm
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| John...could you tell me please,what is the rod size ? |
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Ned McIntosh
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 16 Sep 2009 12:01 am
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I measure 3/16" diameter, material appears to be stainless-steel welding-rod, can't tell which alloy.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 16 Sep 2009 1:24 am
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Ned must be talking about the pedal rod (no nylon tuning nuts there). I just measured one of my Carter pull rods, and it looks to be 3/32".
By the way, how did he strip the rod as opposed to the nylon nut. I believe the pull rods are also stainless steel. Tough to strip one of those.
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Ned McIntosh
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 16 Sep 2009 4:33 am
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Richard's right, the pull-rods are 3/32" diameter stainless-steel rod. When threading with a die, filing a slight chamfer on the end of the rod will help the die begin cutting. I did mine (by hand) in a lathe to make sure the die was square to the end of the rod and used cutting-oil for lube, backing off the die every half a turn for chip-clearance. Got a great result!
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The steel guitar is a hard mistress. She will obsess you, bemuse and bewitch you. She will dash your hopes on what seems to be whim, only to tease you into renewing the relationship once more so she can do it to you all over again...and yet, if you somehow manage to touch her in that certain magic way, she will yield up a sound which has so much soul, raw emotion and heartfelt depth to it that she will pierce you to the very core of your being. |
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 16 Sep 2009 7:00 am
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Richard, he had been unhappy with the B pedal since he bought it, on checking it for him I found that whoever had steel before had "modded it".The sixth string rod did not run straight to changer.There was a short rod running from B pedal cross shaft to a spare cross shaft and two bell cranks side by side, and a rod from there to changer.He had what appeared to be the original rod in the case, but when we fitted it it would not hold, at first we assumed nylon tuner had stripped, but after replacing it, the rod would not hold, on closer inspection we saw the thread on the rod was stripped, perhaps this had been the reason for the mod.
Thanks Ned.Regards |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2009 9:26 pm
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Malcomb, I think that was not a mod but done by the factory in order to get a good balance of the 3rd and 6th string pulls. The 3rd has to pull pretty far and the 6th barely has to move so they "geared down" the 6th string so it would be more accurate to fine tune and balance the pull better. I think this is really good design on Carters part. I could be wrong and please pardon me if I am in error.
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 17 Sep 2009 12:06 am
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| Jerry, you could well be right, but the work on this particular bell crank was not a factory standard, rod was secured at bellcrank with two scews into collar.When new rod is made will check it out as regards the pulls.Regards |
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Leonard G. Robertson
From:
Ozark, Mo. USA
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Posted 17 Sep 2009 8:25 pm Carter rod
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| Jerry is correct. I checked 3 single neck carter guitars & they all use an extra bellcrank to raise 6th string. |
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 17 Sep 2009 11:14 pm
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| Leonard, how was rod connected to bell crank at the B pedal? this one was connected into a brass collar which had two screws to secure rod.All other rods on guitar were usual Carter method of loop round collar, making me beleive it wasn't a factory job.Regards |
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Leonard G. Robertson
From:
Ozark, Mo. USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2009 3:36 am Carter rod
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| Yes Malcolm, these used screws into barrel instead of like others of rods curled over barrel also. |
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Malcolm McMaster
From:
Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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Posted 18 Sep 2009 4:43 am
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| Thanks Leonard, much appreciated.Malcolm |
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