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Topic: Defining Unnecessary Discouragement |
Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 3:40 am
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The blossoming of torpidity is so very common with players who are forced to eat crow in the presence of speed pickers. Instead of becoming apathetic over such occurances, smooth out your own performances to a level that may indeed surpass the speed picker's best efforts to entertain an audience. Observations disclose that Santo's "Sleepwalk" rendition knocked the socks off the general listening public. It was first introduced in 1959. By 1960 it had become one of the most popular melodies to ride the radio waves. The speed pickers are not as well understood, as melodic players. Furthermore, speed picking is more useful in small groups of like musicians. "Arriving" includes realizing that it is imperative to recognize guff and bluff. Really, If Jerry Byrd could show up in Nashville today, where would he fit? His first encounter with the speed cats in Nashville probably wouldn't be a pretty sight. Turn him loose on their wishy washy slow stuff, and the cats would lose big time. That's my point! Cats normally have long shaky tails, but it's the rocker that rules the living quarters. You can bet your last buck safely, that the cats are wary of what lies ahead. |
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richard burton
From: Britain
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 7:29 am
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Ben Jones
From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 7:55 am
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I want both, but am presently capable of neither.
Its not really the speed that impresses me, its the blocking at high speed that blows me away and sounds really great to me. I must admit tho what i like best is the slow greasy stuff.
Its all good, why rock one to the exclusion of the other? |
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Tracy Sheehan
From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 7:57 am Re:Speed picking:
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As i am retired it makes no difference to me but the only ones who get turned on by speed picking are other pickers.How many are aware of the fustrations Chalker and others like him went through because it doesn't impress the public.It is only a bunch of noise to them.Which is what seems to sell today.Noise.
I got into that some what my self when i was playing for a living and the band leaders told me if i wanted to do that do it at home.They were correct as it does not impress the public.A good example IMHO would be the likes of Jimmy Day,Pete Drake and a few others.Of course thier was some very fast speed picking on many of Connie Smiths records but it was her singing that sold the records except for a few other steel players.My opinions only. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 8:12 am
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Doug,
The average listener's ability to relate to a flurry of 64th notes, remains closer to nil, than most folks realize. Their basic admiring audience, may perchance, consist of a few hopefuls spread about the country, spending hours trying to speed up to that level of playing. This of course, is more difficult and less rewarding than imagined. The cats would cast a much better role, should they promote a system of encouragement, as working from the bottom, and moving upward from there. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 8:34 am
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Richard,
Thanks a whole bunch! The distinction is far from minimal. Both you and Doug helped to make my day! The "runners" cast a shadow of doubt. Very befitting for the occasion. |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 9:30 am
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To the general audience it is more about what they see than what they hear.
Most good PSG players play smooth slow or fast to the point that it doesn’t look like they are playing what you hear.
For this reason the general audience doesn’t seem to relate the notes they hear with the PSG player fast or slow.
My take on this is that as PSG players we need to spend more time learning to look fast than actually being fast. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 9:47 am
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An excellent point Bo Legg! They talk about hitting the nail on the head. I couldn't agree more. Yesterday, I was so delighted to see the music appreciation showing on the face of a female singer who was singing chorus music in a You Tube featuring Franklin, and Mark O'Connor (Sp) and others. I enjoyed her professionalism as much as the instrumentalists. How very nice.
Last edited by Bill Hankey on 28 Aug 2009 1:38 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Rick Campbell
From: Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 9:55 am
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If your goal is to impress the public as an instrumentalist, don't play steel guitar at all. Play harmonica, stand out in front, cup your hands around the harmonica and mic, squirm around as you play, have a strong drum and bass section, and play loud. That get's em every time. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 10:47 am
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Rick,
Do you remember the harmonica player who toured with Jeannie C. Riley? He had more harmonicas dangling from his belt, than burdocks on a pastured jackass. No one seemed to notice. Jeannie C., singing "Harper Valley P.T.A. held my attention. |
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James Mayer
From: back in Portland Oregon, USA (via Arkansas and London, UK)
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 11:17 am
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Bo Legg wrote: |
To the general audience it is more about what they see than what they hear.
Most good PSG players play smooth slow or fast to the point that it doesn’t look like they are playing what you hear.
For this reason the general audience doesn’t seem to relate the notes they hear with the PSG player fast or slow.
My take on this is that as PSG players we need to spend more time learning to look fast than actually being fast. |
This doesn't seem to be as big of a problem for non-pedal because the audience can see the bar moving. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2009 12:06 pm
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I'd guess that it boils down to who can burn the most calories while playing The Orange Blossom Special. That will help to clue at least some of the viewers in, on how much effort is involved in playing that instrumental from start to finish. The nutritionists who are bagging millions, may find that interesting, since there are bountiful memberships crusading in behalf of anti-weight gains formulas. |
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Bo Legg
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:22 am
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Bo Legg,
Finding a good hearty laugh, is much more difficult than working out some of the top licks produced by fast fingered, cream of the crop pickers. Why go about souring and subduing a plan that others have had great successes in doing. When the day comes, and if I ever witness any picker who can outdo on the steel, my good buddy, Jim Roule Jr., for the sake of speed picking, it will be a first time experience for me. How can you tell if this happens? Oh! You'll be able to tell, if you witness such an event! I've had the pleasure of watching players flock around him, to catch the flurry of motion in his right hand, while playing the O.B.S. at "MASSBASHES". He's a great sport, and not once in the years that I've known him, has he ever indicated a lack of poise, by saying those words that detracts from excellent performances. There are physiological differences in speed pickers. I've written a few lines in the past, that pointed out my intentions to delve into further studies on the matter. Once a logical explanation is made known, I'll take it to the limit by chasing down its reasoning, according to experts. I prefer to avoid other voluminous challenges, leading to some of the most recent explanations, that such extraordinary performances are possible. Having considered the sources of such commitments, and the sameness of dwellings pointing to superficial interpretations, very little knowledge will be gained that will benefit others. |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:33 am
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Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I've always believed that "smooth and melodic" is better.. |
How about smooth and melodic Speed Pickin ?
I see this as a different issue,I see folks wanting to be able to do RIGHT NOW " Today" what perhaps took others before them 20 years.
I call it the Microwave theory
When we grew up learning the 6 string, it was a given on how to learn to play fast, play scales and learn your intervals, play your exercises ascending and descending and after some serious study your speed becomes natural.
Today we have all these hot young singers and groups who will be done with their career before age 20...we have guitar kids learning Eddie Van Halen licks before dinner but can't play a Gmaj7 in two positions, We have the Masters of our Instrument rising to new levels with performances and ability, someone writes the tab and low and behold we ( me too) want to play those licks on the gig tomorrow night, just blow right by 20 years of seat time in 1 hr.
I'm hungry now, I don't want to wait 45 min for dinner, where's that dang microwave dinner ?
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:44 am
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Tony,
A good question indeed. I hope Doug happens by and isn't too caught up in other scheduled plans for the day; to respond. That's a tough question. If he answers, it should be interesting.
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 2:54 am
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Bill, fact be known, I would listen to and prefer to gig alongside a great melody player any day of the week ( any Instrument ) before one who only blasted off with speed licks. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge SPick'in fan but priorities should be in order. |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 3:48 am
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Tony,
Steel guitarists are noted for putting up with shenanigans galore found in this pursuit of fast note patterns that simply roll off the fingers of precious few pickers. The fact that a steel guitarist can pick the devil out of a 10 stringer steel guitar, only proves one thing. That doesn't necessarily allow for that individual to be most entertaining by a jaded lifestyle. No offense intended.
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 4:59 am
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Tony Prior wrote: |
Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I've always believed that "smooth and melodic" is better.. |
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Actually, the full quote is...
Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I've always believed that "smooth and melodic" is better understood and more appreciated by the general public than "flash"... but it's good to have a little flash when you need it! |
I didn't say "smooth and melodic" is better... I said it is "better understood" by the general public.
I like speed picking as much as any steel player does, and I play a lot of it in the three bands I currently work with... but I've noticed that audiences respond more to sweet, smooth, melodic steel playing. That’s what the general public expects to hear from a steel guitar and that what they appreciate most, from what I have seen. Of course speed picking is a valuable and necessary skill for a steel player to have today. I’m just saying that the general public recognizes the sweet "singing voice" of the steel guitar, and that's what they respond to most. _________________ My Site / My YouTube Channel
25 Songs C6 Lap Steel / 25 MORE Songs C6 Lap Steel / 16 Songs, C6, A6, B11 / 60 Popular Melodies E9 Pedal Steel |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 6:18 am
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My take on this is that as PSG players we need to spend more time learning to look fast than actually being fast. |
And you know that it's better to look good than to feel good, and dahling, you look marvelous!
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John De Maille
From: On a Mountain in Upstate Halcottsville, N.Y.
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 8:04 am
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I was , mainly, a speed picker, in the past. I found it to be challenging, productive and inventive. But, over the last few years, I've been developing a more melodic, singing voice for my steel playing and I like it much better. My reflexes have slowed a bit and I can't get those staccato notes to fly cleanly anymore, like they used to. I feel the power of the steel with well placed phrases and connecting chords, And, I'm getting more enjoyment out of it.
I don't know if this has strayed off topic slightly. I'm just voicing my opinion. |
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 9:47 am
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I was, mainly, a speed picker, in the past... But, over the last few years, I've been developing a more melodic, singing voice for my steel playing and I like it much better. |
Same with me, John. I've noticed that audiences seem to like the sweeter soulful sounds more. ...or maybe I'm just getting older!
I do like speed picking, but fast scales can be played on lots of instruments, like piano, guitar, etc. Only a steel guitar can sing with that unique voice, and audiences recognize that. _________________ My Site / My YouTube Channel
25 Songs C6 Lap Steel / 25 MORE Songs C6 Lap Steel / 16 Songs, C6, A6, B11 / 60 Popular Melodies E9 Pedal Steel |
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Bill Hankey
From: Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 1:28 pm
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John De Maille,
It was a treat to see your name appear in this thread. Both you and Doug Beaumier have made some happy tracks in Ct., R.I., and N.Y., in the past few years. Speed picking has been a celebrated style of playing the pedal steel since pedals and knee levers made it possible to achieve the desired effects. Take away the picker's pedals, and what do you have categorically? More "Duck Pluckers" to contend with. |
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Mitch Daniels
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Posted 29 Aug 2009 1:56 pm
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You never heard of Joaquin,Noel, or Speedy??? |
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