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Topic: Emmons P/P U12 For Sale |
Jon Kostal
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Westmont, Illinois, USA
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Posted 3 Aug 2009 4:56 pm |
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For sale is my Emmons P/P U12, circa mid 1970's. After about 5 years of experimenting with the U12, I've gone back to the D10. It's rosewood mica in great shape. It's got a custom made Jerry Wallace TruTone pickup, which was difficult for him to make because of the rather narrow 5/16" string spacing. I understand that Emmons made some S12s on a regular S10 body. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think that Bobby Bowman made this conversion, although I have no documentation. The copedent is similar to Danny Nacarrato's. It has 6 pedals and 5 knee levers. It plays very precisely and stays in tune very well. It weighs 55 lbs. in the case. It's got newer legs and a nice leg bag, and the coolest turquoise case, original I presume. It's really quite an amazing guitar. Come and play it if you're in the Chicago area. Price is $2400 and I'll pay shipping to the continental USA. Overseas would be extra. Please ask any questions. I'd like to sell it on the forum and give bOb the donation. Thanks.
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 3 Aug 2009 7:29 pm
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My '80s Emmons p/p S12 has string spacing of 11/32", the same as my Zum and MSA Millennium S12s, a Carter D12, and my Sho-Bud Pro III D10. So none of my 12-strings have narrow string spacing. I don't know why yours would. My keyhead, nut rollers, neck and changer all seem intended to have 12 strings with the same spacing as an Emmons 10-string. Whether they could fit the 12-string parts on a 10-string single body or had to make a special wider body and endplates, I don't know. Maybe if somebody could post the dimensions of an S10 we could settle that.
Anyway, yours looks like a great instrument, and Emmons p/p 12-strings are rare, and conversions to universal are even rarer. Good luck on the sale. |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 3 Aug 2009 7:50 pm
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That looks very close to the guitar my Dad had set up for me, back in 1982. However, the copedent sketched out on paper, meaning the knee levers, is not mine. He was an Emmons dealer, amongst others. I took the guitar to the convention in 1983, and indeed asked Ron Lashley why a replacement pickup would not fit. He asked to see the guitar and I brought it in. After looking at it, he confirmed that the early 12 string models used the 10 string necks, etc.
The case however, was the standard black.... |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 3 Aug 2009 9:25 pm
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| I put a standard 12-string Truetone pickup on my '80s S12 p/p. It fit fine, but it didn't sound any better than the great Emmons single-coil pickup that was stock. So I left the stock pup on the Emmons, and had the Truetone mounted for use in my MSA Millennium S12U. |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 4 Aug 2009 7:55 am
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I should mention that the replacement pickup was from the Emmons factory, and that was the reason for bringing it in to Ron to look at. Originally he was at a loss as to why it would not fit. After looking at the guitar, he confirmed the reason....
It was a great guitar. |
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Jon Kostal
From:
Westmont, Illinois, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2009 10:23 am
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Danny, Thanks for the info. We exchanged emails awhile back when I was looking for a P/P U12 and you mentioned you might sell yours, and I saw the before and after pics, quite a dramatic transformation as I remember.
The reason I said my copedent was similar to yours is only because of the elimination of the C6 pedal 6 -I quote you here -"You eliminate the C6 Pedal 6 by lowering the 8th string E to D, while simultaneously releasing the E lever, effectly raising the 4th string Eb back to E." I think this is ingenious as it eliminates some redundant movement and simplifies an already cluttered under carriage. I think this is unique in U12 copedants. The knee lever set up is my preference.
After playing the guitar awhile, you get used to the narrow string spacing.
Thanks again,
Jon
Last edited by Jon Kostal on 4 Aug 2009 1:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Danny Naccarato
From:
Burleson, Texas
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Posted 4 Aug 2009 10:28 am
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| I would love to take credit for that change, but the late Ron Bear, of Newark, OH had that setup. He was the one that introduced me to the Universal tuning back in '82. I was sold after sitting behind it for 15 minutes. |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2009 12:56 pm
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According to my calculations 10 strings @ 11/32 would be 3.09", 12 strings @ 5/16 would be 3.44"
With an extra 0.39" width it's hard to imagine that 12 string changer fitting in a 10 string neck.
Jim - how precise would you say that 5/16" measurement is? to the nearest 1/32"? to the nearest 1/64"?
Could you post the measurement from string 1 to string 12 center-to-center both at the bridge and at the nut? |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Aug 2009 6:03 am
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My early/mid 80's E9/B6 U-12 push/pull had standard string spacing. Here is the tuning and the changes I put on it:
Click Here
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Jon Kostal
From:
Westmont, Illinois, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2009 9:39 pm
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| As my grandparents said to me, "you don't know what's good.", I must say to all of you. I'm keeping the guitar. Now I have a U12 and D10, so I go both ways. Thanks for looking. |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2009 8:50 am My, touchy aren't we?
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My request for more precise string spacing info was not a criticism, rather it was because I was interested in potentially purchasing this guitar.
But if you're keeping it you're keeping it. |
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Jon Kostal
From:
Westmont, Illinois, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2009 11:54 am
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John,
I never took your request as a criticism. I've not received any private inquiries so I've decided to keep the guitar for now. Thanks. |
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