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Wesley Medlen
From:
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 3:30 am |
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| I'm sure this is a dumb question but I've been told you can get a minor 1 fret below the minor you want by using a lever and the right strings. For instance getting A-minor on 4th fret. I've only been on psg 4 and 1/2 yrs. trying to learn any thing I can Thank you Wes |
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Bobby Rountree
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San Angelo, Texas, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 4:32 am
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Third fret...B&C pedals gives you an A Minor.
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Dick Sexton
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Greenville, Ohio
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 4:51 am Minor one back...
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Wesley, it would help to know what changes you have on your steel.
The answer is yes to one fret back, if you have the correct changes. If you don't want to get into chord formulas, and I don't, go to the "C" open 8th fret position and press the A pedal(strings 345,456,568). Lock that sound into your mind then move to the 4th fret and use your pedals and levers and string grips to find that exact sound. Memory reinforcement.
On my steel, with a 5th string lower 1/2 step and 4th and 8th string raise 1/2 step, "A minors" all over the 4th fret.
There is a very nice haunting sound, "A minor" at the 8th fret, sliding back to the "A minor" at the 4th fret. Brings "Ghost Riders in the Sky" to mind. |
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Wesley Medlen
From:
LaCygne,Ks
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 5:49 am Playing a minor
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| I'm sorry I should know to give my copedents. I have Emmon's set up. lkl E's -F lkr E's-D# rkl 1st F#-G 6th G#-G rkr D#-D I have a Wilcox SD10 with a Sessions 400 with JBL Goodrich VP 10 it is buffered thanks for all the info am trying to get different ways to do things so I can get my sound right I use the 2-3 pedals on minors a lot. I also use A pedal 3 frets from minor I want. I have learned most of my playing from DeWitt Scotts book with CD |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 6:14 am
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to play minors for starters, no matter what set up you've got Wesley, is to play 3 frets above the root position
3 fret above the root is the minor third position)
in E (open position) it's G ( 3 frets above 0)
of course you'll find the extension by going up 5 & 7 frets from the 3
you'll have to check w: your pedals & levers to find the correct tones
like pedals A & B |
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Scott Hay
From:
Portland, OR / Yucca Valley, CA USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 7:17 am
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Wesley,
You are correct.
If you're playing say - a D Chord with A&B down on fret 5 (with strings 6,5,4). Move up to fret 6 and lower your E's. You've effectively flatted the 3rd tone of the D chord.
From there - if you move up two frets, and hit your B&C pedals (whoops... not A&B -typo) - same minor chord.
make sense?
Last edited by Scott Hay on 27 Jul 2009 10:47 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Wesley Medlen
From:
LaCygne,Ks
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 10:45 am playing aminor
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| Thank you fellows for the help maybe I will get this a little more respectable yet. But in all reality I am eat up by this machine, love it used to play lead and lap and dobro tuned to open E again thank you and have as much fun as I do |
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Marc Friedland
From:
Fort Collins, CO
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 12:51 pm
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Wesley,
Send me an email to Marc4Music@aol.com with your email address enclosed and I will send you a Word doc attachment of a chart of where to easily find and play Major, Minor & 7th scales on the E9 neck, using only pedals, not needing to engage any knee levers. I have distributed these charts to about a thousand steelers from around the world who have previously requested it on the Steel Guitar Forum. In a relatively short time I’ll have a new website on-line that will also have my new Expanded Minor Scales available for free viewing or downloading, but it’s not quite ready yet.
Marc |
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Tony Wilcox
From:
Humble, Texas USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 1:23 pm Scale Chart
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Send me one too please.
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 3:24 pm
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Lower the 6th string 1/2 step is what change i have, other than that i do 'traditional' moves as spoken above.
One fret down seems a bit awkward considering the 2 fret down b/c pedal transition is so smooth.
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Leon Campbell
From:
Texas, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2009 5:03 pm chart
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| Hey Marc, I would like one of your charts if it alright. Thanks, Leon |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 29 Jul 2009 5:55 am Lest ye Ferget!
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Lets dont forget the less than obvious...If your 7th string can be raised 1/2...Its only 1 whole tone below the Maj3rd on string 6...the minor chord can be played at the same position as the major chord...Ex: String groups 5-6-8=Maj 5-7-8=Min, with 7 raise 1/2 tone..Jus my 3 cents!!! Worth 4?
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Robin Archer
From:
Califon, , USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2009 7:45 am Another One
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Hello - Just starting this thing and I too would like one of your charts.
Many Thanks
->R
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Bob Blair
From:
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 29 Jul 2009 9:16 am
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Marke Burgstahler
From:
SF Bay Area, CA
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 8:46 am Playing minor chords
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I discovered that with an Emmons setup, pressing the A pedal gives you the relative minor.
8th fret (C) - pressing the A pedal gives you an Am.
3rd fret (G) - pressing the A pedal gives you an Em.
Of course it depends on what grips you're using, but isn't that ALWAYS the case on this instrument??
Coming from a 6 string guitar background, this helped me to find minor chords quickly. If I want a fuller, lower inversion, I drop down two frets from the root with no pedals and hit the B&C. My LKV also gives me the minor of a chord played with the A&B pedals down.
3rd fret w/A&B (C) - pressing the LKV lever gives you a Cm.
YMMV
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 11:31 am Minors
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I have had several people ask me at PSG meeting how to properly tune thier "Split Changers" on thier Mullen G2 Guitars. One of the most common uses for the split is to allow more MINOR positions relative to our most common Major positions..ie: Open, and with AB pedals. Although the split is not absolutely necessary for the A+B+Vertical(Lower 5-10)..It is the only way to accurately tune the Minor 3rds on string 5, with A+B, and the Minor 3rd on string 6 with the straight major chord. In the A major (or any other) at fret 5 first the Major 3 on string 6 is lowered to a 9 with the use of a lever. Then we use pedal b to bring it back up a half-step. What confuses people in most cases is WHICH adjustment to use. In the split changer we always tune the LOWEST drop on any lever or pedal, with the SPLIT CHANGER ADJUSTMENT..The SPLIT Is a MECHANICAL STOP...The changer is impeded by this stop, and cannot physically move ANY farther. So pedal b would look like this
Tune Open-String 6
Tune B Pedal-HEX 6 Raise
Tune X Lever-SPLIT (Lowers 1 Step G#-F#)
Tune B-Pedal Split-Engage X+B, Tune Hex X
With these changes we get a WHOLE LOT MORE than just the minors...We get m6 m7 +7 m6/9...The possibilites are mind numbing!!!
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 5:19 pm
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I play grouping 10, 9, and 7 if i'm not sliding and i want 'root note' in the lower voicing.
If i want a 6th, i hit string 6 no pedal, add pedal B for Dominant 7th tone.
Cm for example is at fret 1 , nice n low!
Technically there are chords all over the place, but i assume your question was about the standard, and obvious.
They say; Lloyd green knew more chords than anybody on his 3+3 set-up but for his commercial work, i dont think he went for 'Wet n wild' positions that he may have enjoyed in his own time in practice.
They say, keep it simple, I'm simple alright!
Every voicing has it's place. 
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Last edited by Larry Bressington on 30 Jul 2009 7:17 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Wesley Medlen
From:
LaCygne,Ks
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 6:10 pm playing a minor
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| I thank all of you for your very helpful inputs. I was just looking for ways to get into minors in different situations to get a better sound. I believe keeping it simple is apretty good approach. The one 3frets down from the root with a-pedal and two frets up from the root with Aand B pedal work best most of the time. But I have learned some valuable lessons here. Keep havin! fun asteelin fellows Wes |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 6:57 pm
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they tell me playing a minor will get you 20 years 
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 30 Jul 2009 7:06 pm Ok
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Lets keep it real simple...Wesley...Play an A chord open at 5...Now press the A+B Pedals....thats a Bm7,(or,and DMajor)..If you use the B+C Pedals...Its Bm...but be sure you use string 7 as the root.... Mick!!!
Mark:..yes Yes!...The A pedal gives you a minor triad, but at the 6th position on the scale path..At position 5 you get A6...Which is in effect F#m...Hence the term Relative Minor. Forgive me if im preaching to the choir please...This is detailed in my Beginners book!! The relative 6 for us steel players is a transient group that ties us to the "Faux C6" sound on E9...And a VERY useful tool...When a C6 player asked me where do I find a minor chord...I just told him to "Look Down"...there it is!...What a look I got...
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Bo Legg
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Posted 31 Jul 2009 12:13 pm
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If you want to pick in Am just play in key of G in any of the usual positions using the same pedals. Of course start your scale with the A note instead of the G.
example at the 3rd fret G.
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