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Topic: Strobe Tuning Help |
Ben Turner
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Myrtle Beach, SC, USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 May 2009 1:13 am |
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This is my first time using a strobe tuner. I've been tuning using Jeff Newman's Hz tuning chart for years now. I've just got a Peterson VS-F StroboFlip and I'm just wondering if you use the built-in sweeteners for pedal steel do you still have to change your Hz or Cents up or down depending on the string or does it automatically tune the notes to the pitch they should be without touching the Hz/Cents?
I went through and tuned everything using the Hz method and to my ears it doesn't sound quite right. I tuned my strat using the built in sweetener for regular guitar and played an open E on my steel and strummed an E on my guitar and it was way off. The guitar being on the flat side.
Any help or advice is appreciated.
Thanks!
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 19 May 2009 1:59 am
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There are several E9th programs in the Strobe O Flip. One is based on 442Hz and another at 440 Hz. They are basically the Jeff Newman tuning charts. I don't use them and use my own programs, which are basically Jeff Newman but with some changes for my particular guitar. I don't use the "sweeteners".
There have been a lot of forum posts about this tuner and the various tuning methods.
With a Pedal Steel Guitar, I don't think there is "one" set of tuning numbers for ALL guitars. Each one has to be handled individually. The Jeff Newman charts are a good place to start, if you aren't going to tune everything to "zero". Then modify it as needed for your guitar. For example, the Newman chart says to tune the E9th 3rd and 6th string raises to -1.5Hz (-6 cents) but I find with my Franklin, -.5Hz (-2 cents) is correct for my guitar (with the reference to 440, not 442). |
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Paul King
From:
Gainesville, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 May 2009 2:53 am tuner
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| I have a Peterson strobe tuner and I really like it. I use the settings it has and it sounds good to my ear. |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Don Sulesky
From:
Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH
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Posted 19 May 2009 5:13 am
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I have used the Strobo-Flip since it 1st came out.
I do use the sweeteners and have found no problem with them.
I do use my own numbers although most are Jeff's numbers converted to E-440 and tweeked some.
You can find my numbers on my web site under tunings.
http://donzpedalsteel.com/E9&C6tunings.htm
Don
Updated to show my present settings.
Last edited by Don Sulesky on 19 May 2009 7:32 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Ben Turner
From:
Myrtle Beach, SC, USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 May 2009 6:49 am
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| What I still don't understand and hasn't been answered yet, do you have to manually adjust your cents and/or hertz levels using the sweeteners or leave them at 0.00/440? |
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Don Sulesky
From:
Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH
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Posted 19 May 2009 7:36 am
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Ben
Look at my chart.
http://donzpedalsteel.com/E9&C6tunings.htm
Follow the simple instructions I have laid out.
Put in the numbers as you see them or your own.
Such as the E's at 00.0...
The sweetener will adjust the numbers automatically as it does with the tempered numbers.
Good luck. 
Don |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 19 May 2009 7:39 am
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| Everything is tuned to "0". The tunings are already set to whatever the offset is and all you do is tune everything so the display does not move (or as close as you can to it not moving). |
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Chris Morrison
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 19 May 2009 7:39 am
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You leave the cents setting unchanged as you tune. All the notes get tuned relative to the pitch defined by the cents setting. This is automatic. The sweeteners or programmed offests define how the tuner tunes each of your notes relative to the fixed cents setting.
You'd only change the cents setting if, for instance, you had to play with a piano that sounded fine but was flat overall (happens with some pianos). In the old days, you'd have to literally "tune to the piano". In strobe-tuner terms, you change the cents setting to "tune the tuner to the piano". Then, it'll tune your guitar to come out in tune with that particular piano. (using whatever sweetener or programmed offsets you prefer)
How do you tune the tuner to the piano? Adjust the cents setting so that the piano note shows as "in tune" (bars not moving) on the tuner. HTH, Chris |
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Ben Turner
From:
Myrtle Beach, SC, USA (deceased)
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Posted 19 May 2009 10:42 am
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| Thanks guys for all your help. I just tuned it with the SE9/SC6 sweeteners leaving the Cents at 0.00 and to my ears it sounds real good! |
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Jack Mattison
From:
North Bend, Wa
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Posted 19 May 2009 11:17 am Tuneing
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I tuned it before I Packed it up......With the strobo-flip. Left the house. Got to the church. Set it up. Checked it again........ With the strobo-flip. Tweeked it....... With the strobo-flip. Left it alone. The rest of the guys arrived. They tuned. We reherased. It was GOOOOOOD. I like my Strobo-Flip.......... No Problems Jack<><
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 20 May 2009 4:31 am
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I like the 0E9 tuning (Es at 0.0) over SE( Es sharp). Try the 0E9 live and also remember to use the Guitar setting for six string.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 20 May 2009 8:09 am
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| As I understand it, 0E9 and the sharp Es tunings have identical intervals within themselves. Only the reference pitch is different. The sharp Es tuning seems to be designed to compensate for some cabinet drop (Es detune slightly when the A&B pedals are pressed). When playing with the bar your ear will likely unconsciously compensate for the slight difference between these two tunings. It's mainly playing open at the nut that cabinet drop matters in terms of the overall reference pitch. |
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