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Bob Evens · From: Loganville,GA 30052 USA

Does anybody have good verifiable charts that they can sell? I not the best steel player in the world (by any stretch) but, it becomes double difficult to write out a chart and have the band say, "that's not the right key" or "WHO DID THIS!" It really ads to my weak sense of whether I know what I'm doing or not. I know having to live through my own preparation of charts, that have errors, should motivate me to correct and learn from my own mistakes. But, I'm old and need all the advantage I can get. Don't feel sorry for me or chide me for being lazy or incapable of getting my act together. My wife loves me and I am happy. Sooooo...if you can help me, let me know.
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Tommy Shown · From: Denham Springs, La.

Robert if you go to www.gregcutshaw.com, you'll be able to find over 480 tab charts to whatever song you
might need. These charts have been quite helpful. And it might help you.
Tommy Shown

Tommy Shown · From: Denham Springs, La.

A very important PS, I'm getting there too. I am 50

Tommy

Chuck Hall · From: Warner Robins, Ga, USA

Hey guys, I'm 60. What I do that helps me is to copy the lyrics from the web and write the numbers of the chords on the lyrics. The lyrics usually (if you get them from a good source) will have the artist that did that particular version and the year and some other great info such as who wrote it most of the time.

ALso I started using the Nashville number system about 35 years ago so the key doesn't really matter. Since I do several huyndred numbers, I have to use a book on a music stand anyway, so it is a big help to me. I'll try to post a pic later. My book is at the club I normally play at.

Chuck Very Happy

Bob Evens · From: Loganville,GA 30052 USA

Thanks for the info guys. I don't need a "tab Chart"
I need charts for the band so they are able to play the correct chords and to know when to play them. The band doesn't even have to know the song. They can play back-up and, given the right tempo, sound like they have been playing it for years,
Again, Thanks for the help so far,
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Wayne D. Clark · From: Montello Wisconsin, USA

Chuck I'll not to mention my age but I started when I was 12 on a lap Steel in the mid 40's. That said I'm still trying to master the PSG and won't live to do it. When it comes to the figuring the cord structure I do what you do Chuck. put the letter of the Chord above the words. I have the Nashvill system but need to study it. What I would like to see is the way some of the Players do their charts. I have wondered if there is a basic system ever one starts with when it comes to solo work or licks then tweek it with their own symbles. To be honest I can't read a lick of moted music, I have to learn every thing by ear when it comes to solo's.

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Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

Bobbe Seymour sells an excellent book on the "Nashville number system". I recommend it to anyone that seriously wants to learn it.

ADDED: The book is not written by Bobbe. He just happens to be a "retail outlet" for the book.

Wayne D. Clark · From: Montello Wisconsin, USA

Thanks Jack I'll look into it.

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Chuck Hall · From: Warner Robins, Ga, USA

Wayne

If you've been playing for a while you already know the system.

In the key of C - -C F G is 1 4 5 the m6 is Am the m2 is Dm the m3 is Em and the rest take care of themselves. C D E F G A B C

I use the letters so I know what key I sing the song in but really play by the numbers. They are written so anyone can look over my shoulder and see them in case a "GUEST" comes up out of the audience to sing and does the song in a different key.

Bobby's book is a great way to learn the system too.

Chuck

Wayne D. Clark · From: Montello Wisconsin, USA

When I played Lap Steel {Sorry I sold it} I used the Chord system, I never related the # system to it, although when jamin we would talk the #'s like Key of "C" basic 1, 4, 5. but then on the score sheet we would put the corresponding letters. Looking Back, How smart is that. Just never made the connection. Although if we had a player that needed the chords definition it helped him. well it helped us all because we were not thinking 1,4 & 5. Well enough of this.

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Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

I've usually been the guy who wrote the charts in most bands I've played in. If you're good at it you can write a simple 1 4 5 country song in one pass -- in real time. You'll get to where you can do it with or without an instrument. It just takes doing it to learn and get better at it.

Get the Nashville Numbers book. Look at the examples of how the studio guys do it. They're the best at it. My band just backed Charlie McCoy and one of his charts is in the book. Best charts I've ever seen -- just handwritten, Xeroxed charts but all the details -- who fills where, etc. That's an example of a chart of an ARRANGEMENT.

Often, all you need is a chart of the SONG -- the chords to the verse and to the chorus -- and the sequences of those parts.
However . . .
Sometimes you want to write out the notes for the intro or some signature passage -- some charts have std notation others just numbers -- some use std notation notes and rests to define the ARRANGEMENT.

The point is sometimes you need a map of the song at 30,000 feet -- so you don't mess up the chords -- and sometimes you need a timeline of the song that the player can follow like sheet music. The latter take MUCH longer to write out.

Learn to write your own charts (and get better and quicker at it in the process).
Reasons
1. Your ear will improve
2. You can customize them for your parts -- even include little snippets of tab if you want
3. You're probably not going to find all the songs you want written out in Nashville numbers
4. Once you're done you'll have a great set of charts you can read and understand -- plus the ability to expand that collection at any time.

Learn to do it with a guitar at first and try a few without it. Learn to hear 6- and 2- and 3- chords and how they're used. Listen for 2 chords. Recognize what a 1 6 2 5 1 progression sounds like. Once you know what you're hearing it's easier to just write them down as you listen to them.

I tend to play a bunch of different projects, doing material that I don't play on a regular basis. I had to learn to write my own charts when, for many of my gigs, the only rehearsal I got WAS SOUND CHECK.

Good luck. Very Happy

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Bob Evens · From: Loganville,GA 30052 USA

OK I must not know how to describe my question.
I know the Nashville number system.
It's not problem.
If I play a 4/4 shuffel, and I want to do an 1145 intro...I would place a (1) like this 1 //// 1 //// 4//// 5////.
Placing the 1 on the 1st beat of the measure carry it for 3 more beats, and move to the next measure.
kapish?
Most steel or featured musician, will provide the backup players with "backup" charts which he or she has made to fit the rhythm. Many song patterns have similar rhythms and the charts may be slightly modified to fit.
My main problem is..if the rhythm or timing changes from the original recording or is different, the band will say " THATS NOT RIGHT OR "IT DON'T GO LIKE THAT" Ya'll ever had that happen?
I have therefore, I would like to buy proven charts of most popular steel songs.

bob
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Larry Bell · From: Englewood, Florida

I've never seen a collection of number charts offered for sale. Proven or otherwise.

For your example, most chart writers would write
1 1 4 5
(the slashes are not necessary)

Measures with more than one chord are usually either boxed in or in parentheses. If, for example, the first measure had 2 beats of 1 and 2 beats of 5, it would be written
(1 5) 1 4 5

If it was only one beat of 5 in the first measure it would be written
(1 5) 1 4 5
... .

The problem with 'standard' arrangements is that there are a multitude of arrangements for any 'standard' song. Different singers will have different versions. Often, a given performer may have recorded a 'standard' more than once with slightly different arrangements. Which one is 'standard'?

I would write out charts for myself and distribute to the band members. If everyone agrees, that's the arrangement we will use. But that's just me.

Good luck finding what you're looking for.
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Gary Baker · From: Charlotte, North Carolina

Bob Evens · From: Loganville,GA 30052 USA

Thanks Gary:
I think I tried that once but, Like you said the learning curve....
I will revisit BIAB and see what I can do.
Bob
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Gary Baker · From: Charlotte, North Carolina

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