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Rick Abbott
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 2:54 am |
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I was on the Jackson website last night looking at guitars and saw the 63 Madison Permanent. Has anyone played one. I haven't heard anything about them on here, but I may have missed some threads. Just wondering how they stack up, both as a permanent and as a modern guitar.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 4:00 am
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| I'm not an expert on mechanics, so I can't tell you much about the undercarriage. But I did play the Permanent in Dallas, and it is sweet. Sounds like the old ET recordings with Buddy Charleton on steel. They are really capturing the old sound with this guitar. It is a completely different-sounding beast than any of the new steels out there now. If you love old tone, this is the guitar for you. |
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Skip Edwards
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 7:40 am
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I played it at the Dallas show, and I really liked it. The tone jumped out at you, and it played very smoothly.
Besides that, it was really cool... |
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Benton Allen
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Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 9:05 am
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| Skip Edwards wrote: |
I played it at the Dallas show, and I really liked it. The tone jumped out at you, and it played very smoothly.
Besides that, it was really cool... |
....and you played it well, sir.  |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 10:41 am
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Shucks...thanks, Chris. Likewise...
Did you get that new Blackjack CLD model yet? |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 11:20 am
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Ha! The CLD model.....imagine that.
The SD10 Blackjack #1 is built, and can be seen and played at the Montgomery show this weekend. It will be on display at the Jackson booth. I will be getting it shortly. It does not have the pad installed yet, because David likes it without. He is sending it to me with the pad un-installed to see what I think of the pad-less back apron first. I will post a thread when I get it! Thanks for asking, Skip. |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 18 Apr 2009 2:53 am permanent
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| Chris...On the site it mentions that the copedant cannot be changed much as the original, however I could not locate any information on what that might be. Could you post the copedant please....Thanks. |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 18 Apr 2009 11:42 am
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| David, I don't know the exact copedent of the Permanent, but to the best of my memory it was standard Emmons. I guess if you were gonna buy one, they'd put your setup on there and then it wouldn't be able to vary much. But that's just a guess on my part. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 18 Apr 2009 1:12 pm
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The website is vague. But it says there are no variations of the pedal and knee lever set-up? Gives several interesting details, just not the copedant?? Odd if you ask me.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 18 Apr 2009 10:36 pm
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To the best of my memory, it was...
LKL - E's up to F
LKR - E's down to Eb
RKL - 1st string up to G#, 6th down to F#
RKR - 2nd string down to C# with a feel stop when the 9th string kicks in, going down to C#
At least I think that's what it was.
I didn't mess around with the back neck. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 4:14 am
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That would sound logical  A very standard set-up...maybe where we found this standard, standardized first.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Lacey
From:
Black Diamond, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 4:18 am
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| Who's the guy playing at the Seymour store demo? Nice touch! |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 5:48 am
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I believe that's Tim Sergent.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Tim Sergent
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Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 10:02 am
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Yes, that was me.....after about 15 minutes of trying to think of an instrumental that I might be able to get through! I've always said that a good gig is the worse thing in the world for your playing. Meaning that after being gone for 2 or 3 weeks, the last thing...(well....maybe not the LAST thing....) I want to do when I get home is sit down and play. It's kind of like the old cab driver going for a drive on his day off saying.
I did play my very first steel guitar show at the NTSGA a couple of weeks ago. Had a blast picking with Mike Jones and Rusty Danmyer.
Now back to the post! The Madison '63 is an awesome guitar....As are all of the Jackson models. |
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David Nugent
From:
Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 11:38 am Permanent
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| Thanks so much for posting the copedant. I was curious because I thought I remembered the factory Sho-Bud setup from that period being with the E-Eb on the RKL. When I purchased my early LDG several years ago it had not been altered and was setup this way. |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 12:12 pm
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Yeah... I thought it a little odd, or out of character for the E to Eb change to be on the LKR...especially for what is supposed to be a vintage Sho-Bud reissue.
I imagine that since most modern guitars come set up that way, they figured they might as well go along with the program. |
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Randal Smith
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 12:34 pm
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| I did play my very first steel guitar show at the NTSGA a couple of weeks ago. Had a blast picking with Mike Jones and Rusty Danmyer. |
And a great show it was, Tim. Not a bad song in the bunch. Great playing from great players. It doesn't get much better.
As far as tone, I preferred Mike's Emmons, while Bill Poe preferred your Jackson. Not that I disliked yours, or Bill disliked Mike's. Just personal preference.
Dan at SGN and I were talking the other day and we both agreed that as far as taking a steel on the road, we both prefer one with decent tone that you can fix easily if something goes wrong (GFI, Carter, Mullen) to one with great tone that's a PITA to fix (Emmons, ZB). Of course, he's currently playing an Emmons and I'm playing a Simmons pull-release, so what do we know?
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Randal Smith alias Smitty the Kid
Nashville, TN
Simmons SD10
Warmoth Custom Guitar
Gibson GA-20 Amp
"We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?" |
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Charlie Tryon
From:
Glovertown Newfoundland, Canada
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Posted 19 Apr 2009 5:53 pm
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It is my understanding you get 4 Knee levers and you can have them anyway you want them. And 8 floor same thing. You just cannot add to it, at least not at this time.
Charlie
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2009 9:14 am Tim knocked it out of the park.
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| Hey Tim S. Your sound and touch on the Utube song was awesome. I think you would sound great on most of the new steels being built, so Jackson is really getting a big advantage by having you demo their Steel...thanks for showing us how it is done |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 20 Apr 2009 10:36 am
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| Tim Sergent wrote: |
| Yes, that was me.....after about 15 minutes of trying to think of an instrumental that I might be able to get through! I've always said that a good gig is the worse thing in the world for your playing. Meaning that after being gone for 2 or 3 weeks, the last thing...(well....maybe not the LAST thing....) I want to do when I get home is sit down and play. It's kind of like the old cab driver going for a drive on his day off saying. |
LOL...I remember hwen we met first time in Montana on the state fair I think, you guys came to the club where I worked with the band and when we tried to figure out what to jam on you said "please, anything but Clay Walker"....LOL....I remember you guys gave a lead guy a tuner as a gift..that was funny as hell too....LOL...good old days.....I`m glad you like Jackson, they look like very nice guitars....take care...
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Tim Sergent
From:
Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2009 8:10 pm
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Hey, Damir,
I remember those couple of days very well! We had a blast sitting in with you guys out there. And I promise that if you ever get a Jackson steel guitar I won't break it!  |
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Tim Sergent
From:
Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2009 8:35 pm
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Hey, Brad and John, thanks for the kind words. That means a lot.
Randal, Personal preferrence is what it's all about. It would be a pity if every steel guitar sounded exactly the same. That's why there are so many steel guitars being built today. Something to offer for just about anybody's preferrence. I do wish I would've brought a "little bigger bat" than that Nashville 112 though!! |
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Randy Gilliam
From:
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2009 8:40 pm Great Playing
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| Tim that Was Great, Nice Guitar, Randall When you comeing Back Too Texas? Randy Gilliam. |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 21 Apr 2009 5:12 am
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Hey, Damir,
I remember those couple of days very well! We had a blast sitting in with you guys out there. And I promise that if you ever get a Jackson steel guitar I won't break it! |
LOL...well, we fixed that knee lever quickly, that old Excel was a pretty good guitar, I played it for years and never had a problem with it......until....you set behind it....LOL....ha, thats ok...you know..I`m still trying to figure out that lick you showed me...LOL....well, it may take a litle time but it will be worth it....
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oh yeah, we had a blast too, I still remember jammin` in the bedroom on some bluegrass stuff..great, those are my most precious memories from the road, meeting the guys like you and having fun...thank you.. |
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