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Topic: Possible adjustment problem. HELP |
Austin Tripp
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Nashville TN
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Posted 10 Apr 2009 9:50 pm |
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My 10th string on my E9th neck has a problem. In the open position, the string is in tune but when i press my knee lever that lowers 10 to an "a" note, the knee lever is sharp. So when I start to lower the knee lever tuning rod, the string flattens out of tune but the knee goes in tune, but when i tune the open string back to pitch, the knee lever is out of tune again. Also, I just changed to a .038w instead of a .036w but I have used the .038w before and never had this problem. Could someone please help me?
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 10 Apr 2009 9:55 pm
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| You need to back off the nylon tuners (I'm assuming that you also lower your fifth on the same lever), increase the travel of your knee lever, then retune the nylons |
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Matthew Prouty
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Warsaw, Poland
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 1:01 am
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| I am with Richard. You have lost the slack needed and its so tight that is affecting the other pitch. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 5:51 am
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I'm with Richard and Matthew. More travel needed.
The .036 vs .038 may or may not make a difference. It depends on the size of the core wire that the windings are wrapped around. |
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 8:23 am
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| Joseph Barcus wrote: |
| Rich has it nailed |
Oh sure. Richard gets all the glory...  |
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Danny Letz
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Old Glory,Texas, USA 79540
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 4:05 pm
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| OK, so someone needs to tell him how to get more travel. What kind of guitar is it? A closeup picture of that lever and it's associated parts would help. Study the knee lever under the guitar a find out what stops it and see if you can back that off a little to give more travel. Be carefull the first time you push that lever in case you gave it to much. I guess that's not as important on a lower as it is on a raise. Also be sure that when you get it set, you have a little free travel in your linkage. It's just machinery. |
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Billy Carr
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Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 11 Apr 2009 6:23 pm 10
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| What's mentioned above. Also may want to reposition rod that lowers 10th string. I'd try to adjust the 10th w/o the 5th first and see what happens. No big deal other than getting on the last nerve sometimes. |
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Austin Tripp
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Nashville TN
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 6:28 pm
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Well fiddlesticks, TTT
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Ron !
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 9:36 pm
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Richard is right Austin....you have to back the nylon tuners.
It takes maybe 5 minutes to readjust it but once done it'll work like new.
The Emmons that you are playing is still considered one of the best out there.
But hey....if you don't like it.....I make a trade with you. 
Ron
P.S
Try adjusting the hole in the cranks. |
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Ulf Edlund
From:
Umeå, Sweden
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Posted 15 Apr 2009 11:04 pm
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I think what Richard (and Lee) is talking about is "over tuning". In that case you have to release BOTH the raise AND lower tuners and start from scratch. If a raise is to tight it will keep the lower from getting all the way. Not to unusual.
One reason for this could be that there's too little travel somewhere. This is easily adjusted at the bellcranks.
If you don't want the Emmons anymore i can take it off your hands, free of charge  Or you could just have it gone over by a tech. When properly set up it will last a lifetime of trouble free playing. As will any modern steelguitar.
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Hook Moore
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South Charleston,West Virginia
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Jack Strayhorn
From:
Winston-Salem, NC
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Posted 16 Apr 2009 7:34 am
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| This is not a guitar brand problem, but an adjustment problem. You admit that you have changed string guages. Even though you have changed strings before, all strings are constructed different and need different amounts of travel. I have experienced many people with this same outlook, be patient, learn the mechanics of the instrument and you will be ahead of the game. I offered once and will offer again. The guitar needs a good going over by an experienced tech. Give me a call. |
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Joseph Barcus
From:
Volga West Virginia
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Posted 16 Apr 2009 7:43 am
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this can also be caused by a foot pedal adjustment as well I remember one time I thought I would adjust my A pedal but soon after found that this same problem was on the 5th string, well one time I did have a over adjustment on the nylon tuners so thought Id back all them off and start over again. by the way if you find that you have to adjust more tail end when you tune thats a good sign your strings need changed, well any ways after the nylon tuners were backed off and started over again I found the trouble still there, well I unhooked the rod off the foot pedal and just left it hang then tuned and pulled the rod without the pedal it stayed in tune so that told me it was in the height adjustment on the rod worked with that and got it fixed.
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2009 6:26 pm
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| Austin, Jack knows jack about Emmons guitars. Like Andy once told Aunt Bee....Call the man. |
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Austin Tripp
From:
Nashville TN
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Posted 17 Apr 2009 6:24 pm
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Got it fixed. some freak problem but its all good. Thanks for all the help guys.
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