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Topic: Cabinet Drop |
George Brown
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Winston-Salem, NC, USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 9:15 pm |
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| What is the best way to check,and measure cabinet drop? |
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Tommy Shown
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Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 10:33 pm
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Pat are you sure about mashing pedal A and picking the 8th string. Please correct me if I am wrong but pedal works the 10 th string.
Tommy |
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 11:12 pm
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Tommy...it doesn't have anything to do with the note of the 10th string,
what it does when you press (i should of mentioned A & B pedals instead )it puts pressure on the guitar with those pulls and you can see how much cabinet drop you have while hitting the low E 8th string open, as i said...hit the 8thstring open with the pedals down and watch your tuner then release the pedals and hit it again you'll see the amount of cabinet drop you have. 
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Tommy Shown
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Denham Springs, La.
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 11:30 pm
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Thank you Pat for clariying that for me. I wasn't sure. And I didn't want to feel like I was asking a dumb question.
Thanks again
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 9:11 am
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| I don't see the point in measuring the drop only with the A pedal, when we use the A and B pedals together so much. I watch the 8th string and the 4th string Es on a meter as I press and release the A and B pedals. That is the most bothersome cabinet drop. The biggest drop can be seen on the 6th string (especially if it is unwound) when the A pedal is pressed. |
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Buck Grantham R.I.P.
From:
Denham Springs, LA. USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 9:27 am correct.
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I agree David. Buck Grantham
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Pat Comeau
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New Brunswick, Canada
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Eric Philippsen
From:
Central Florida USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 11:38 am
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What David said........that's the ticket.
I start by tuning my E's with A&B down. Always. Then I tune harmonically and by ear from there. It makes sense and compensates for cabinet drop. Works for me very well.
Then again, I've been seriously thinking about the way that Randy Beavers says he tunes. That is, he does the A&B down trick but starts by tuning his A's to 440. He says he does that because, more often than not, keys are tuned to that. That makes sense to me. I often have trouble working with a keyboard player because, well, for one thing, our thirds are so different. Anything that gets me closer or more in sync with that instrument is OK by me. I say that knowing that we will never be completely identical. And, besides, I never argue with a keyboardist because his instrument is bigger than mine.
Anyway, in regard to tuning my A's to 440, now all I have to do is learn the harmonic/ear sequence to follow for that method. |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 12:09 pm
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I agree with what David said Pat said what David said and Buck sums it up. Or was it the other way around? 
I have a shobud Professional, still rack and barrel, that barely will drift with this test. |
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George Brown
From:
Winston-Salem, NC, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 7:27 pm
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Guys,
Thanks much for the information, and that brings me to one more question:: How much drop is acceptable, before you try and find help? Thanks a bunch.
George... |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 10:30 am
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| Unless you've got thing just about to fly loose on your steel guitar about the worse I've seen was 5cents. If your tuning compensates for the drop even 5cents should not be a problem. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 3:26 pm
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| ...How much drop is acceptable?... |
It's hard to say because players differ, but like Bo says, anything under 5 cents would be okay for a lot of us. Some players can adapt to variances, and some can't. When I first started, I saw players that could sound okay on a steel that I would have taken to the landfill! I gradually learned to tune and play those instruments, but fortunately, steels that bad nowadays are quite rare.
If your steel was made in the last 30 years, and it's been setup and maintained properly, it's probably plenty good to play on. |
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George Brown
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Winston-Salem, NC, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2009 5:12 pm
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THANKS, to all who responded. I feel that I've got a good handle on Cabinet drop now.
George... |
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