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Larry Scott
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2009 9:19 am |
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Brad Malone
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2009 7:16 am 700 Steels
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| Hey Dick Wood, Here is another thought about the 700 Series. When I spoke to Bill in 2007 he told me that they build about 40 steels a year..I got mine in July of 2007 with the #621...so it is probably a way of keeping count of the number of guitars being build by Williams...the changes you cite seem minor. Williams is a two man shop, Bill and his son, so it is possible that they have built 79 Steels since we had that conversation...just a thought |
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Dick Wood
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Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2009 8:17 am
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Brad, I failed to mention the last thing Bill said was that he had changed his lacquer process and that it now cured within 7 seconds.
So the 700 series has very minor changes which relate more to the Mfg. side than tone,playability side. |
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Rick Kreuziger
From:
Merrillan, Wisconsin
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Posted 20 Mar 2009 3:59 pm
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Yes...
UV cured polyurethane is what I believe Bill told me.
It's cured in a UV lamp oven.
Rick |
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A. J. Schobert
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Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 5:07 am
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| Will it have a differant fretboard? I think that could use a face lift also |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 9:03 am Down to one neck
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| Dick, Bill, at Williams is always coming up with new inventions and ideas but he "blew the doors off the barn" when he came up with the Series 600 changer. Its a pleasure to play the E9th tuning on a steel that doesn't have a string breakage problem on the E9th neck, in fact, 90% of the stuff that I played on the C6th, I now play on the E9th...I'll never sell my Willy. |
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 10:42 am
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| A.J, The fretboard has black and white fret markers which look fine. You can still get the colored which I prefer for darker clubs. |
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steve takacs
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beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 5:09 pm 400 & 600 CHANGERS ON WILLIAMS
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| Brad as far as I know, neither the 400 series and 600 series changers break strings on the E9th. Both tend to pull the strings in the same manner with minimal bend around the changer. I have both and have used the 400 a lot more. Just going from my experience. I use Jagwire brand strings puchased from b0b. steve t |
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Brad Malone
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 5:45 pm Changers
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Both tend to pull the strings in the same manner with minimal bend around the changer. I have both and have used the 400 a lot more.<
Steve, I never owned the Series 400 so I only talk about what I have experience with but what you say is true. I use GHS strings, they came with the new Steel. You probably can use most brands of strings and have the same experience (results) because it is the changer design that does the trick. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2009 10:34 pm
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Thanks, Steve T. I had decided after multiple postings to finally let the point you made slide. I appreciate your taking up the baton, as it were!
Brad, I don't blame you a bit for your enthusiasm for the 600 Series. But the essential innovation you tirelessly, and justifiably, praise did, in fact, begin with the 400 Series!  |
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Dennis Saydak
From:
Manitoba, Canada
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 6:24 am
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At the time I ordered my Willy both the 400 and 600 changers were still available. I asked Bill what the difference was between them. He said they were almost identical except the 600 changer components were Rockwell hardened to a certain value as opposed to the 400, which were not.
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Dennis
Just when you think you're getting ahead in the rat race, the rats get faster. |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 6:26 am Willy's are great
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Brad, I don't blame you a bit for your enthusiasm for the 600 Series. But the essential innovation you tirelessly, and justifiably, praise did, in fact, begin with the 400 Series! <<
Brint H., You are 100% correct. |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2009 6:42 am 600 changer information
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| Dennis S., On 3-11-2007 I received the following information from Bill Rudolph of Williams Guitar Company regarding the Series 600 changer and the Series 400 changer: The new 600 changer has steel string levers, hardened to Rockwell 40 and chrome plated, with a hole in the tip of the nose for restringing. The series 400 changer has an aluminum string lever with a slotted nose for restringing. The tone and sustain of the 600 series string changer is outstanding, as well as the harmonics, We hold the U. S. patent on that lever design. |
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Bill Rudolph
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Minneapolis, Mn.,U.S.A.
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 6:34 am
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This posting is to clarify our finishing process and the 700 Series Williams:
The clearcoat is Polyester, a product used by a majority of top acoustic guitar makers.
We cure the finish in 3 min. with an ultra violet curing chamber.
The new 700 Series is the exact same steel with the exception of a one piece CNC milled keyhead. We also turned the pedal rod hook underneath the steel toward the rear endplate to afford more length for our KL crosshafts.
The 600 Series owners need not feel bad, it's just a name to designate the two differences for our own info if someone wants to add a pedal or KL later.
Thanks for all the kind words and positive input.
Feel free to email me anytime if you have questions of any nature.
My Best, Bill Rudolph, Williams Guitar Co., LLC. |
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 7:33 am
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Well there ya go. My mistake on the curing time. I would have sworn you said 7 seconds when we spoke.
Great guitars all the way around. |
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George McLellan
From:
Duluth, MN USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 7:56 am
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Bill, I hope I didn't drool too much on that beautiful 700 you had on display this past weekend at Wisconsin Rapids.
It's almost too bad I can't find something wrong with either my 400 or 600 to justify to my wife that I really NEED that one.
Geo |
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 9:01 am
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George,Don't give up, Where there's a Willy there's a Way.
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Larry Scott
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2009 9:06 am
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| Dick Wood wrote: |
| George,Don't give up, Where's there's a Willy there's a Way. |
Thats what the wifey said  |
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Ryan McMahon
From:
The Land Of Sky Blue Waters
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 7:32 am
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My Willy is #647, with a 600 changer.s10 4&5.took delivery 4-08. Unbelievable craftsmanship. nice work Bill!
-Ryan McMahon |
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Ryan McMahon
From:
The Land Of Sky Blue Waters
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Posted 25 Mar 2009 5:14 pm
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steve takacs
From:
beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 26 Mar 2009 8:13 am Difference In Tone?
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| I do not hear any difference in tone or harmonics between my 400 and 600 series changers on the Williams guitars. Am I supposed to? If so, maybe I need to have the ears checked. steve t |
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