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Topic: Tuning Issue D# String |
Tommy Gibbons
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 5:36 am |
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My GFI copedent chart says the 2nd string (D#) lowers via RKR to D/C#. OK, does that mean lowers to both D/C# or either? Confused!
Tommy
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 5:59 am
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It means that it lowers the D# to C# and that you should feel a notch along the way that is the D. It's called a feeler stop or a half-stop or....my mind is going blank on the other terms. It can take some getting used to since you have to rely on your sense of touch to not overshoot the D. Ideally you can adjust the stiffness of the stop. Of course, too stiff and it will interfere with your use of the lever but I find that those thigh muscles can handle pretty strong resistance. And, conversely, they can't feel a weak stop too well.
I don't know what mechanism GFI uses there so I can't get any more specific. |
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Tommy Gibbons
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 6:32 am Setup Adjusted
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Thanks guys, with the info concerning the "feel stop" I just got the string adjusted to both positions as you have described!!! This is exactly what I needed.
Last week I upgraded to the GFI Ultra from a student model and I've been trying to get the bugs out.
Thanks, Tommy
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 6:43 am
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Tommy
you will love it after you get used to it. the lower D on the second string makes for a nice 7th chord. you will hear that one use alot in old mel street songs. also that same D note is the same as the say 5th string 3rd fret or any fret as far as that goes just using three as a example 5th string A pedal down slide up one fret. very same note sometimes you want the slide others just the note. cool stuff all over these guitars
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 6:47 am
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Excellent, Tommy.
And yes, Joseph---this year I have started experimenting with machining and installing flags on some of my levers on my Fess. I'm totally sold on how they can enhance playability in some spots. It can get tricky though, with 8 levers, to still be able to fold 'em up. It took some planning to put the flags where I needed them (not all levers) without fouling things up. But I couldn't be happier with the results. |
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Joseph Barcus
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Volga West Virginia
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 6:49 am
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wow 8 knees what a way to go I only have 6, really need 2 more for my C6th one of these days I will get them put on. not playing much so cant depend on that as a way. lol jobs are hard to get with a pedal steel here in the middle of bluegrass land.
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C Dixon
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Posted 8 Mar 2009 10:24 am
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Yes,
It is called a "Half-stop". And it has been standard on newly shipped PSG's for many years now. I am not sure who came up with it. Possibly Buddy. Not sure.
I never could get used to it, even though I had it since the 60's. Jeff Newman said repeatedly, "It is not a good idea". I agree with him.
So finally after trying everything to get used to it, I found a way as Jeff did, to have both.
Check out the following:
Having the Positive stop "D" note on one knee and the positive stop C# on the other knee, came out great. It would be difficult for me to ever go back to a "half-stop". I realize I am bucking the trend, since it appears that most players half NO problem in feeling that half stop, but I always tended to either under shoot it for fear of overshooting it, or vice versa.
carl
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 9 Mar 2009 4:38 pm
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| Decades ago, I gave up on the "feel stop" approach on the 2nd string. I used the move too often and too fast to hit the half-stop position accurately every time. My resolution was to put the the half and full-stop 2nd string changes on two different levers. |
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