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Topic: Williams C6th pickup choice |
Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 16 Feb 2009 9:27 pm |
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I have a 2008 600 series lacquer Williams (wood necks) and am not totally happy with my choice of C6th pickup (George L 10-1). Not a lot of "in your face" tone. Real bland - need more balance and pop in the upper strings and less blah in the lower strings. What do you have on your LACQUER Williams? Don't care about mica Willimas as I'm sure the same pickup would sound different on a mica guitar.
Backround: I have a Carter mica guitar (metal necks) that has a George L 10-1 on C6th that is just awesome. I have a Sho~Bud Professional that has a Wallace Tru-Tone that just rocks. I thought that by using the same pickups as I have on my Carter (mica) on a Lacquer guitar, that I might get a sound in between the Carter and Bud. The E66 on the E9th works great.
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George McLellan
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Duluth, MN USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2009 7:15 am
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I have the 10-1's on my 400 and True Tone's on my 600. I like both, a little tweeking on any of my amps will tune in the tone I like for whatever room I'm in.
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2009 7:17 am
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I had Bill put Jerry's TruTones on my Williams guitars and I am as happy as a cow in clover.  |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2009 7:27 am TruTones...great pickups
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Hey Richard, If you are looking for "in your Face" I call it "bite" go with the TruTones.
with the TruTones the single notes sound like you are playing a horn...IMHO |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 17 Feb 2009 4:10 pm
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| I was thinking of a Tru Tone. The one on my Bud actually "growls" when you hit dem FAT chords. Plenty of highs (but not too much). Any Recommendations on the ohms rating? |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2009 4:35 pm the 10% solution
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Any Recommendations on the ohms rating<<
Yes 19,000 ohms. When I bought my Williams Steel, Bill Rudolph said they installed 17.5k ohms...well I have two ohm meters and they both read 19K. I called Bill and told him and he replied that these pickups could vary by 10% or so...so I guess I was in the high range of that 10%...but the 19K gives you a nice fat bite, so I'm not complaining...I'd go with 19K |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Feb 2009 12:57 am
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How do you measure the ohms on the pickup installed in the guitar?
I just did my Bud with a Fluke 77 meter set to the ohms position. I plugged a guitar cord into the jack and put the switch in the C6th position. I read 5.96K ohms. Same on E9th. Can't be right. When I bought the Bud, the previous owner said Jerry Wallace rewound both Bud pups (they look new), and he bought the Tru-Tone for the C6th.
The "extra" Bud pup not mounted in the guitar measures 19.5 K ohms. This is the one he removed from the C6th neck. |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2009 7:05 am reading Pickups.
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| Richard, Plug your cord into the guitar jack and put one lead of your meter on the tip of the male plug and the other lead on the body of the plug making sure your neck switch is in the C6th position..if you want to read the E9th neck you have to put the switch to the E9th position. Don't forget to zero in your Ohm meter before making the test. |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 18 Feb 2009 10:53 am
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| I did all that and still got the low readings. Oh well, they sound great, so I shouldn't worry about it. |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 18 Feb 2009 11:56 am What
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| Richard, Make sure you are on the 1K ohm scale and read the top scale...you also could have a bad meter..no way are those pick-ups reading right...try another meter. |
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bob drawbaugh
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scottsboro, al. usa
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Posted 19 Feb 2009 6:14 am
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| Brad, if you have a cable pluged into your guitar this could account for the increase in the resistance of your pick up. The ideal way would be to remove the lead of the pickup from the guitar an measure at the leads of the pickup. But it sounds like you like the sound of your pick up so I wouldn't bother. |
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Brad Malone
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2009 7:53 am What's the difference?
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The ideal way would be to remove the lead of the pickup from the guitar an measure at the leads of the pickup.<<
Bob Drawbaugh, The Guitar cord has almost zero resistance. If you zero in on the 1k scale and jumper out the male plug between the tip and the body on one end of the cord and measure the other cord end male plug between the tip and body you will find that you get almost zero resistance. Your way may be ideal but how many ohms differance will you get? |
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 19 Feb 2009 3:38 pm
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I tried an old chepo Radio Shack meter that I have and got the same readings on the Bud. The Fluke meter works fine. They are the same one's that a lot of service technicians use in the field. Both companies where I worked as Service Manager, used these meters exclusively. The loose Bud pickup I have still ohms out at 19.?K ohms. I was using a 12" or so George L cable, and even tried another cable I had with the same results.
Then I tried my Carter using the same method. They ohmed out at 17.? k ohms and 19.? k ohms on both meters using both cables.
The question mark is because I don't remember the number after the decimal point.
I don't know why the wierd readings on the Bud, but as I said, the pickups sound great and have lots of output (maybe not quite as hot as the George L's on my Carter and Williams).
George L cord with Fluke meter:
Tip to tip: 38 (yes 3 ohms
Sleeve to sleeve: .3 ohms
Other cord:
Tip to tip: .3 ohms
sleeve to sleeve: .1 ohms |
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