Lloyd Green on C6 ?

John Lockney · From: New Market, Maryland, USA

I thought the story was that he replaced the C6 neck with a pad because he was almost always asked to play E9 sounds and the guitar was getting heavy...

This may be a dumb question and I may have missed it last time around but, is there a recorded example of him playing C6 among his 30,000+ recordings ? (most of which must have been after removing the neck, maybe something early ?)

Jay Jessup · From: Charlottesville, VA, USA

Hopefully some Lloyd experts will chime in with the album names and where to get them but the answer is yes, some of his early recordings do have him playing C6. Played well as I recall.

Mike Poholsky · From: Kansas, USA

According to an article in Sept '08 "Vintage Guitar" mag. In the fall of '72, because of weight and he was getting the sleeves on his jacket frayed,LOL, he decided to make the change and take the hardware off the C6, then put on a pad in its place. He thought a single neck was too narrow. Shot had the parts put in a bag. He thought Lloyd would be back to put them back on.
According to the article his double neck Crossover weighed 85 lbs in the case and his Fender Twin Reverb w/JBLs weighed in at 105 lbs.
Apparently, at that time, not only did session guys carry their own equipment, they also wore slacks and a sport coat to work.
I'm not so sure about the jacket being frayed, but those buttons had to be a drag. Very Happy

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Dave Biller · From: Texas, USA

i have a record called "the big steel guitar" on which Lloyd plays a lot of C6. i think it's one of his first records if not THE first.

Roger Shackelton · From: MINNESOTA (deceased)

Here is the track listing for BIG STEEL GUITAR by Lloyd.

Big Steel Guitar
Label:
Released: January 1, 1964

Track Listing
TRACKS
01. Steel Guitar Rag
02. Columbus Stockade Blues
03. Red River Valley
04. John Henry
05. Bud's Bounce
06. New Panhandle Rag
07. Steel Guitar Jubilee
08. Wildwood Flower
09. When You and I Were Young Maggie
10. Remington Ride
11. B. Bowman Hop
12. Texas Playboy Rag

Peter Freiberger · From: California, USA

MP3 downloads of"Big Steel Guitar" (as well as "The Little Darling Sound") are available from iTunes. As well as an album called "Way Out West" which looks like much of the same material.

robert kramer · From: Nashville TN

The first Lloyd Green C-6th song I would download from iTunes would be "Columbus Stockade Blues." It goes without saying Lloyd could have played big city C-6th jazz steel if he had wanted to. On his most recent gig at the Station Inn in Nashville(backing Peter Cooper) he warmed up on a Gershwin tune, so I would say Lloyd Green is totally capable of playing standards on E-9th. Wouldn't that make for a hip CD?

Walter Stettner · From: Vienna, Austria

Please feel free to check the "Recordings" part of the website www.lloydgreentribute.com for the information about "The Big Steel Guitar" album. Also, the "Soundclips" page has some interesting clips - especially Lloyd's solo on "My Window Faces The South" by Del Reeves, done on the E-9th. Smile

Kind Regards, Walter
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John Lockney · From: New Market, Maryland, USA

I've spent a lot of time listening to clips on your page Walter but had not heard one on C6th yet.

Thanks for the information!

Walter Stettner · From: Vienna, Austria

John,

You won't find any C-6th clips as Lloyd hardly ever used the C-6th in regular recording sessions. What I wanted to say was that Lloyd can also do swing stuff on the E-9th neck. One reason for the creation of the famous LDG steel (single neck guitar on a doubleneck frame) was that he hardly ever used the C-6th neck and thus saw no reason to keep it.

I remember at one of the Conventions a few years ago, Lloyd was checking his set-up on stage before he started - and he played the first bars of "Raisin' the Dickens" - with a great big smile! Smile

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John Swain · From: Winchester, Va

I believe I read Lloyd actually tuned his back neck to A6.....And ironically, the first recording session he did after removing the back neck was "The Nashville Brass" recording of western swing tunes!!JS

Mike Cass · Posted 28 Jan 2009 6:00 am

Unless Im mistaken, Lloyd played a knocked-out C6/A6 solo on "Strangers" from "The Hit Sounds"(?)on Little Darlin' records. Tasty and fluent, his phrasing on that solo was as jazzy as one would want to hear. Remember, like everyone else from his generation Lloyd started out on haiwiian guitar, probably C6 or E13, and Ive heard that he idolized Byrd as did/do all his peers. Ive often wanted to hear more like the C6 work "Strangers" from LLG, but you cant argue with his 1 neck success story Wink

Jerry Meek · From: Colorado, USA

Mike
You are right about Strangers Lloyd played a knocked out C6 break in the middle of his E9 Instrumental of All my friends are going to be Strangers.

Jussi Huhtakangas · From: Helsinki, Finland

Here's Lloyd on which I believe is C6 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-IDmaLxK3s&feature=related

Ray Montee · From: Portland, Oregon (deceased)

While you guys were worrying about the weight of Lloyd's guitar, the buttons on his jacket sleeves, what tunings he played in, etc., no one happened to mention that Lloyd early-on played a triple neck Bigsby.
All of that single string work was reminicent of olde Joaquin Murphy and sounded nothing like Lloyd Green as we've all come to know his fabulous playing.
I wonder where Lloyd's Bigsby disappeared to....

Jussi Huhtakangas · From: Helsinki, Finland

That Bigsby wasn't actually Lloyd's, it belonged to Faron Young, who in turn bought it from someone who's name escapes me right now. It went to a young man called Gary Stewart shortly after that, I believe Gary was around west coast/ Bakersfield since I have 60's pics of him w/ Buck Owens, Wanda Jackson and Tommy Collins. Interesting thing is that a picture of Gary's hands and that Bigsby guitar were once used on a Herb Remington LP which had many people think that Herb played a Bigsby too. Smile

Ken Byng · From: Southampton, England

Lloyd has often recounted how Faron Young released him from his band with the disparaging comment that he couldn't carry Jimmy Day's case. I'm not sure what guitar Lloyd was playing when this happened, but he did say that he was struggling at the time with a guitar that wouldn't hold its tuning.
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Joe Goldmark · From: San Francisco, CA 94131

Mike, I'll third it for "Strangers." What a great C6 solo. If you're a Lloyd Green fan you need to hear it. I think that working on and learning that solo affected my whole approach to C6.

Joe

Michael Douchette · From: Gallatin, TN (deceased)

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