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Topic: Music theory - in general or for weissenborn/lap slide |
Hans Henrik Rasmussen
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Denmark, Copenhagen
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 12:12 pm |
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Hi guys,
I've played guitar for about 15 years but in the last couple of years I've begun playing lap slide (on a weissenborn). I have really found my instrument there so now I want to take my playing a step further by getting into some theory. I guess I over the years have picked up what you could call "a little feel for things" but I have never really studied music theory.
I've got the Bob Brozmann slide guitar for blues and the Kelly Joe Phelps slide guitar and both of them are great but I am looking to get the fundamentals of music theory down (as Kelly Joe himself recommends in the dvd).
I don't know if I can get something that is lap slide guitar specific in any way or if I just need a basic music theory book/dvd? I've posted this on the acoustic guitar forum as well but then I thought that I'd probably get some more specific weissenborn help from you guys - if that is what I need - I guess I'm talking about some kind of guide that will help me learn stuff that can help and further my weissenborn playing as in learning scales to play soloes, understanding the different chords and how they relate to each other etc.
In any case, do you guys know of a book or dvd that can give me what I'm after?
Thanks,
Hans |
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 12:15 pm
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No offense intended. I always refer everybody to a book called, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Theory." It is a very good entry level book on theory with references and suggestions for further reading.
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basilh
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Posted 10 Jan 2009 12:28 pm
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Hans, Lorene Ruymar has a course that can relate to you, she teaches music theory and more. She says
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| This instruction course was designed for the high schools of Hawai'i. It teaches notation and music theory to the absolute beginner. It takes a year for the average student to complete. It is based on the A Major low bass tuning, which is best for understanding chord construction and prepares the student to switch to a more complex professional tuning later, if desired. |
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Lynn Oliver
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Steve Atwood
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 7:42 am
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| I just finished reading "The Everything Music Theory Book", by Marc Schonbrun. It cleared up a lot of things for me. The Complete Idiot's book and the Dummies' book were both way over my head. |
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Tamara James
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 8:31 am
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| Edward Meisse wrote: |
| No offense intended. I always refer everybody to a book called, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Theory." It is a very good entry level book on theory with references and suggestions for further reading. |
I refer to it often.
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Rob Anderlik
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Chicago, IL
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 11:49 am
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I have not read the other books, but I can recommend Edly's book as well. One of things I admire most about this book is the way that it makes complicated subject matter easy to understand. Edly has a great wit and writes in a conversational style that is truly engaging.
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Hans Henrik Rasmussen
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Denmark, Copenhagen
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:12 pm
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! I'll be checking all that stuff out. Those easy-to-learn kind of books may very well be perfect.
It seems everyone are suggesting books on general music theory, however. Is this the way to go for me or should I go for weissenborn/lap slide/guitar specific ones?
Thanks again,
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:30 pm
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The course that Basilh suggested by Lorene Ruymer is a lap steel specific book. I have no personal experience with it. But I've heard nothing but the highest praise for it. I believe it works in high bass, 6 string A tuning all the way.
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:42 pm Re: Music theory - in general or for weissenborn/lap slide
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Precisely, just what the original post asked for..
| Hans Henrik Rasmussen wrote: |
I don't know if I can get something that is lap slide guitar specific in any way or if I just need a basic music theory book/dvd?
In any case, do you guys know of a book or dvd that can give me what I'm after?
Thanks,
Hans |
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basilh
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:43 pm withdrawn
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Lynn Oliver
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 5:52 pm
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| It looks from the web site to be a beginner's course in lap steel that includes notation and music theory. I think something targeted at theory would be a better response to the OP. |
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basilh
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 6:00 pm withdrawn
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basilh
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Posted 11 Jan 2009 6:12 pm withdrawn
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Lynn Oliver
From:
Redmond, Washington USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 1:12 am
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It is apparent from his back-to-back responses that Basilh has been offended by my comments. I did not expect that simply expressing disagreement would have this effect, but in case there is any confusion, I think Basil is a fine fellow and a wonderful musician. As far as I know.
My thinking was that digging theory out of a year-long beginner's course written for a specific tuning might not be as effective as simply working through an excellent theory book that applies to any instrument in any tuning. That's just my opinion.
I believe that Jerry Byrd created a detailed course on lap steel that covers theory specifically as it relates to the instrument, including "all 18 playable tunings." That might be an option for someone like Hans wanting to take his or her playing to the next step. Or steps. |
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basilh
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 3:26 am withdrawn
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basilh
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 3:59 am withdrawn
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basilh
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 4:02 am withdrawn
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Steve Atwood
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 5:29 am
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Hans, This material by Craig Prior might help:
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/002611.html
I couldn't make anything of it the first time I read it, but it's obviously a great analysis, and I'm going to try again, now that I've read the Everything book. |
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basilh
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 5:46 am shot down
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AJ Azure
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Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jan 2009 10:04 am
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| If you want to have access to as much material as possible and also be able to communicate with non-steelers. Go with a general music theory book(s). it's the best way to learn the language of music. |
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Dennis Burling
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Jan 2009 8:47 pm
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I agree with Lynn. This is a very easy to follow Music Theory guide. If I can understand it, well, nuff said. |
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Kevin Brown
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Posted 21 Jan 2009 5:08 am
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| From what I have just seen, the Lorene Ruymar dvd would not only be of value to Hans but to most of us on this Forum. I taught drawing to 10 year olds for a few years and it was a one step at time approach, we succeeded admirably, if they can learn to read and write surely I can help them to draw, this course looks like a similar approach, slow simple but with VITAL foundation skills which even I have sadly missed in my desire to run before I can walk, I bet if Hans studied this he could teach us all a thing or two in much less than a year, also nicely transferable to Dobro tuning. Maybe one day I'll have the guts to do it myself, I know it would help further my interests in swing, blues and country style lap playing. |
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basilh
From:
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Posted 21 Jan 2009 6:44 am Re: Music theory - in general or for weissenborn/lap slide
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Thanks Kevin, exactly what I said and was IMMEDIATELY shot down by others with obvious agendas and vested interests.
You MAY be able to "Read Between the Lines" above !
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Hans, Lorene Ruymar has a course that can relate to you, she teaches music theory and more. She says
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| This instruction course was designed for the high schools of Hawai'i. It teaches notation and music theory to the absolute beginner. It takes a year for the average student to complete. It is based on the A Major low bass tuning, which is best for understanding chord construction and prepares the student to switch to a more complex professional tuning later, if desired. |
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Steinar Gregertsen
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Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Jan 2009 1:33 pm
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Thanks for recommending this - I checked the website and ordered a copy, got it yesterday. Looks like the kind of stuff even I can get my head around! 
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