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R Robichaud
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Riverview, N.B. Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 9:48 am |
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| On my sho bud guitar, my right knee, left lever lowers my 4th and 8th E strings. A friend of mine just purchased a used Carter student guitar and he lowers his E strings with his left knee, right lever. Which is correct? or I should say, which knee lever is most commonly used, to lower the E's? Happy holidays everyone ....Bob |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 10:03 am
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I've been using that change on my RKL since the early 70's,Sho-Buds used to come that way,from what I've seen at steel shows these days most new guitars have that change on the LKR...Maybe I'm old school now. 
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 10:09 am
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Happy holidays to you as well, Bob.
On many guitars of the 60s and 70s (Sho-Bud, MSA in particular) the 'standard' place to lower E's to D# was RKL or RKR. Buddy Emmons put that change on LKR and raise E's to F on LKL, figuring you never have to use those changes together which is correct. However, there are still some of us who don't lower E's on LKR, but the majority these days do. That's why the standard 10 string E9 tuning from most mfgrs today raise and lower E's on the left knee. With the CBA 'Day' pedal setup, the levers are reversed (raise on LKR and lower on LKL). Personally, I have always lowered E's on RKL and have found no reason to change.
There is no standard or 'right' way -- whatever appeals to you. Whichever you choose you'll find a steel guitar 'legend' who does the same.
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Les Green
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Jefferson City, MO, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 11:18 am
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I lower my E's on both my MSA's with RKL and as Larry stated above have found no reason to change.
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R Robichaud
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Riverview, N.B. Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 12:35 pm
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| My understanding is that RKL means right knee, left lever. Is this correct? |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 1:51 pm
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| R Robichaud wrote: |
| My understanding is that RKL means right knee, left lever. Is this correct? |
Actually, it means right Knee lever that is on the LEFT side of your right knee, and that lever moves left by pressure from your right knee. RKL, your right knee moves left. A little confusing, huh?  |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 2:00 pm
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| Larry Bell wrote: |
| Buddy Emmons put that change on LKR and raise E's to F on LKL, figuring you never have to use those changes together which is correct. |
Of course, as a point of logic, that same rationale applies equally to having them both on the right knee, which is the least common configuration, though by no means unheard of.
But there are reasons for the "raises on left knee, lowers on right knee" setup, too (it's my preference). However, it seems most players get used to whatever is on the first guitar they start on, and stick with it. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 2:10 pm Re: Confusing
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| R Robichaud wrote: |
| Which is correct? or I should say, which knee lever is most commonly used, to lower the E's? |
This is one of those questions that has no answer. The question of where to put what knee lever is totally subjective. The only thing that matters is what you find most comfortable.
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 3:10 pm
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(Now, if you used two knees each dropping one... that might be incorrect...  )[/quote]
HUH, you mean your not supposed to do that. 
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Jeremy Threlfall
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now in Western Australia
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 3:31 pm
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I lower my Es RKR, raise 'em RKL
I learned on a Carter Starter which has 'em on the left knee (as you know). I only changed because I got a new guitar (Pro-1) set up the way it is, and I wanted to start playing it more than I wanted to get under it and start changing things around.
I just stuck with it. Took me about, like, 15 minutes to get used to it, and I've never looked back. |
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Don Brown, Sr.
From:
New Jersey
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 6:33 pm
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As was said. Whatever works for you! No right or wrong way. It's all a personal choice.
A few years back, Paul and Buddy, got into a pretty good discussion Over Buddy having his E's lowering on LKR, as well as raising his E's on LKL.
Paul liked having those two changes, with one on his LK?, and the other one on his RK?.
Paul's reasoning behind that was, he could drop his Es to Eb, then raise a full step up, (Eb to F) or lower them a full step from (F, to Eb) without having the short pause (that would occur) between going from LkL to LKR, (or vice-versa) with them both on the same knee.
It was a good read! Buddy told Paul, he could do it without any pause whatsoever, by switching from lower to raise, or raise to lower, on his one leg and still never have a flat spot between.
And, I believe they were both right. The thing to that is, to have both knees fairly close to your leg, and yes! You can change using one leg without any pause.
I replied with this, for you to see, how very far apart, two players felt about doing the same thing, in two different ways. Bottom line, each of their steels, were set up for how THEY each, chose to have them.
Hope that helps..
Don |
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Glen Derksen
From:
Alberta, Canada
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Posted 22 Dec 2008 7:10 pm
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