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Topic: Another setup other than using C6 with E9 on a D10 |
Curtis G. Greene
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Eure, North Carolina
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Posted 12 Sep 2008 8:40 pm |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Sep 2008 8:53 pm
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Go ahead! May as well! I have a friend who plays Eb9!
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Chris Scruggs
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2008 11:12 pm
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A lot of guys used D9 in the late fifties and early sixties, in part to help solve the problem of snapping strings. Jimmy Day and Bobby Garret are two names that come to mind.
If it was good enough for them(for a while, anyways), it's worth messing with. A guy here in Nashville, Rich Gilbert, has recently started using D9 on his Sho-Bud.
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 5:28 am Zane Beck
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I've said it before.
Why not use the Zane Beck Uni copedant ?
Lotta tight harmonies there.
Rick |
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Johnne Lee Ables
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Minnesota, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 7:17 am Re: Zane Beck
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| Rick Winfield wrote: |
I've said it before.
Why not use the Zane Beck Uni copedant ?
Lotta tight harmonies there.
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I absolutely agree with that, Rick!
I hope to buy a decent used S-12 and have Mr. Beck's last copedent on it.
Now, if I can play it (but that's another ???). 
jl
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 8:40 am
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Zane's copedant if fine but I think Curtis was asking about another tuning to go along with E9 on a Double ten steel.......
I play a 12 string but I think that if I played a D-10 I'd stay away from C6th. I'd use a tuning that was more compatable with the chord positions on the outside neck such as as E6th like Al Marcus uses or an A6th or B6th. That way you wouldn't have things like a D chord on the second fret and such as that. All the chords would be on familiar territory. Remember on E9 you've got the E, A, and B chords in the open position using appropriate pedals or levers.
I once had a D-10 for a short while which I dropped the 9th string on the E9 neck, moved the B up a notch and added a low E string. I also set up the inside neck to a A6th similar to what Herb Remington had and was fairly happy with it but went back to a 12 string after a short time as it made more sense, at least to me..........JH in Va.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 9:01 am
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I like D6 on the back of a D-10, especially in a big band. It cuts through the mix better than C6th.
Here's a copedent that combines 2 E9th-style pedals with a bare-bones D6th. The standard P5 and P6 are moved over to P7 and P8, to make room for the A+B changes on P5 and P6:
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P5 P6 P7 P8 RKL RKR
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F# +G +G
D -C#
B +C
A ++B -G#
F# +G -F
D
B
G +G#
D ++E
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 10:10 am
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If I wasn't so familiar with the C6, I'd drop it to B6 to be most compatable with the E9 positions. With a D9, A6 seems pretty good as a partner tuning.
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 12:21 pm
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Could someone please post the gauges for a 10 string D9th set?Thanks Stu
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 1:01 pm
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E .014
C# .017
F# .012
D .015
A .019
F# .024
E .028
D .032
C .036
A .042 |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 1:19 pm
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.013p = E
.016p = C#
.012p = F#
.015p = D
.018p = A
.022w = F#
.028w = E
,032w = D
.036w = C
.040w = A
I'm really only looking for a starting-point here. Some adjustments might be in order!
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 1:44 pm
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| John and I differ a bit. I think it's just personal preference. I always string up my guitars pretty tight. |
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Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 1:50 pm
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Thanks you guyz!Stu :lol:b0b is your low F# also wound?
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 6:49 pm
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Yes, the middle F# is definitely wound. That's the point where it really differs tonally from E9th. On E9th, most people (not all) use a plain 6th string. That's not really practical when you tune to D9th.
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 13 Sep 2008 6:54 pm
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| Jerry Hayes wrote: |
Zane's copedant if fine but I think Curtis was asking about another tuning to go along with E9 on a Double ten steel.......
I play a 12 string but I think that if I played a D-10 I'd stay away from C6th. I'd use a tuning that was more compatable with the chord positions on the outside neck such as as E6th like Al Marcus uses or an A6th or B6th. That way you wouldn't have things like a D chord on the second fret and such as that. All the chords would be on familiar territory. Remember on E9 you've got the E, A, and B chords in the open position using appropriate pedals or levers.
I once had a D-10 for a short while which I dropped the 9th string on the E9 neck, moved the B up a notch and added a low E string. I also set up the inside neck to a A6th similar to what Herb Remington had and was fairly happy with it but went back to a 12 string after a short time as it made more sense, at least to me..........JH in Va. |
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As Jerry said. With E9 on the top neck, the E6 would be easiest to remember all the chord positions as they are both the same. G is 3rd fret on E9 and also G is on the 3rd fret for E6. But I can also say that Jerrys post on A6 or B6 as good alternates is very good too. A6 is just like A and B pedals down on E9, very familiar too. B6 is good too,based on the Fifth of the the E9 chord. Easy to remember if you know your 5ths. Used on a Uni 12, E9 and B6 go very well together.
It all depends on what you want.I personally like E6 on the bottom neck. I can put the two A and B pedals on it and the usual 5-6-7 pedals on and get E6 and E9 on the bottom neck when I want.I also like the brighter sound of E6 compared to the C6. To each his own.
The E6 can be put on the bottom neck without changing the rod setup underneath, they will still give all the C6 chords using the same pedals and knees. us change the strings with the 9th F# on top, where the D is on top on the C6. Notice how 8 notes on the E6 are the same as E9. Nice. You can even use a E9th set of strings, with a Guitar E for the 10th string.There are so Many ways to play. The Pedal Steel guitar is so versatile....al.
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