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Topic: New Approach To E9th - Pedal 3 With 9th String Lower |
Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 5:29 pm |
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At the last two steel conventions I attended I heard a lot of new sounds on E9th. Some were were kind of like the C6th neck and some were just more modern sounding. This hasn't been discussed much and maybe those looking for traditional country steel guitar sounds won't care for these.
Anyhow..... I will show how a few of these are played and it is a great way to get out of the stereotype E9th rut. The positions shown here are just the tip of the iceberg for pedals 3 and the 9th string lower and entire new chords and pockets of notes are opened up.
You will notice that many of these grips are just like the C6th major 7/minor 7 grips but in a higher voice. Using pedal action and combining these with the more traditional E9th sounds, you will have more chords available. You will also have a new bag of riffs and be able to play more types of songs.
Hear Some New Sounds For E9th
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 7:55 pm
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Sounds like the E9 wants to be C6 when it grows up. Also the chord voicings can hardly be thought of as "modern"....maybe for E9 country players, but not at all for other genres of music.
The chord progression sounds like the song "All In the Game".... "Many a tear has to fall"... |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 11:56 pm
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Because I didn't know better, I didn't have the 9th lower for my first 30 years as a steeler. It seems like now that's the most used change I have on E9. There's an open sounding quality that I can't quite explain that's really exciting and inspiring to me! It works really good for passing chords in non country quartal type jazz harmonies, besides the really pretty country resolves.
It really comes alive with Extended E9 BTW.
Also if anybody has the 8th string raise added(to F#) on their C pedal (ala PF)...there's even more cool stuff to be found!
Thanks Greg and Bill for all the things youv'e shared here on the forum!!! I've been inspired by both of you guys!
Last edited by Rick Schmidt on 5 Sep 2008 8:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Rick Johnson
From:
Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2008 4:05 am
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Greg
I've been listening to some
Steve Palousek. He has some
changes very close to these.
I'm glad you post things
like this, it helps me.
Rick
www.rickjohnsoncabs.com |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2008 5:56 am
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Bill, a lot of what I am hearing with these riffs on E9th ties in with what Rick S. said above. These chords are a lot clearer and higher voiced than they are on the C6th tuning. And blending them in with the other E9th sounds and rocking the pedals while executing them does give them new life.
Rick S. - you are going to keep me up all night moving a bellcrank around for that low E to F# change!
Rick J. - thanks for the world class tweed cabinets! I was really confused how some players were getting these sounds and there's a ton of variations and more chords than what I've shown. Sure makes playing more fun when you have more sandboxes to play in on E9th.
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2008 6:15 am
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Greg,
After many years of playing,we all get comfortable and in somewhat of a rut with our standard set of licks so I always find it refreshing to hear someone elses way of approaching various licks in a slightly new way. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2008 8:52 am
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| Greg...that low E to F# on the C pedal does create a little more pressure to push down...which drives some guys nuts. If you can get past that, it's another very hip, modern sounding change. I'd never want to do without it, and I now use pedal C way more than I used to because of it! |
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Ford Cole
From:
Texas
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Posted 5 Sep 2008 5:06 pm
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2008 1:42 pm
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BUMP
Greg, did you put that E to F# on your C pedal yet? |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2008 3:26 pm
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Rick, not yet! Just got into the process of buying a new car and trying to decide between the Honda Accord EX V6 and the lexus ES350. Tortuous process but I tend to keep my cars for 10 years so it's not often I but a car!
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 9 Sep 2008 5:54 pm
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Greag:
Great stuff and very nice delivery. Being a U-12 player, my 9th string is B and I raise it on LKL to D. I think I'll try to retune this pull and experiment to see what happens. |
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Wayne Franco
From:
silverdale, WA. USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2008 6:22 pm Thank you very much Greg
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Those are very nice voicings. Sure appreciate you sharing that with everyone.
Wayne Franco |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 10 Sep 2008 4:44 am
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Randy Beavers is a master of the lowered 9th string and getting these sounds (and more) from the E9 tuning. His recent CDs are a college education in this approach; highly recommended. I've been trying to prod Randy into writing a course on this approach but he has been too busy with other projects, so thanks, Greg, for getting things started here.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 10 Sep 2008 8:41 am
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Greg
Thanks for bringing this up. I've been using those approximate shapes for some years now.
I had my eyes opened by the great Jimmie Crawford nearly twenty years ago when I was lucky enough to be touring with him. Back then, my ZB didn't have the 9th string 'lower', but Jimmie played me some chord progressions on his JCH that absolutely thrilled me - when he explained how the D to C# on '9' made them possible, and said - "You HAVE to lower the 9th!", I was a total convert.
I also prefer the higher timbre of the E9 tuning to C6th, which can sound a trifle muddy in a 'band context' at the low end. With the above change, and another favourite of mine, my LKV raising the 6th to A#, so much is available - and I'm thinking hard about going from a D10 to an extended E9.
I'm just a bit nervous about making such a big change (grip-wise) while still trying to make a living, but I think it'll be worth it.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 10 Sep 2008 9:36 am
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I have 12 or 13 more tabs on my site that deal with the 9th string lower and a few others that add in the full tone lower on string 10. I really like the 6/9 chords with the root tone that the full tone lower on string 10 provides. The pedal action also allows for some unique twists and as Roger mentioned above, these changes can be a lot clearer on the E9th tuning especially in a band setting. If time permits I'll tab out the rest of my ideas and put them all on one page.
Jim, I have all of Randy's CD's and his very first LP! Also heard him play at the PSGA show. Being able to have all the E9th sounds and the C6th chords on one neck is pretty cool. I've been playing C6th too long to convert to a single neck though.
But seriously, I HAVE to find a new car first and soon!
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 10 Sep 2008 10:15 am 9th to C#
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| This is a great change. I've used this for several years with my 9th being a B, (10th is an E) my C pedal raises 9th to a C#, also my RKR raises it to a C#. My A pedal lowers the B to an A...Lots of chords to be had.....Larry |
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