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Topic: Quick Nylon Tuning nut quick fix |
Jim Kennedy
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Brentwood California, USA
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Posted 5 Aug 2008 6:16 pm |
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This may have been tried and posted in the past but I will give it a mention now. I just got new nylon tuning nuts for my guitar. I had a couple that were staring to slip. In replacing I noticed two things:
1: Quite a bit of the tuner is hollow
2: They are not threaded. The tuning nut is threaded as you put it on the guitar.
So, I tried a little experiment. I cut the closed end off at the point where it meets the hollow end, and it threaded on as good as a new one. So, if you are desperate for a nylon tuner, one would never slip at a gig, just cut the end off and thread it on. Length isn't a problem as long as you can get to it with the tuning wrench.
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 5 Aug 2008 7:25 pm
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That's a good fix. Many of these tuners are open on both end. If one starts getting a little loose, just take it all the way off, turn it around, and thread it back on from the other end.
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2008 8:37 pm
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| One wrap of plumber's teflon tape on the threads of the changer rod will do wonders to tighten those tuners up. No guess, have been doing it for years when the tuners get a little loose. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 8 Aug 2008 8:55 am dup post?
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please ignore or delete this dup post. 
Last edited by Jerry Overstreet on 8 Aug 2008 8:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 8 Aug 2008 8:55 am
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| ...and if you find yourself stuck on a gig with a tuner that keeps jumping off and you don't have a spare with you, smash the nylon tuner slightly with a hammer or some pliers. That will distort the threads so that they will grip the pull rod enough to get you through the night. |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2008 10:40 pm
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If you look at the rod that is troubling you, you will most likely find a huge cutting burr on its end. Instead of 'upsetting' the plastic to conform to the rod...in effect, a 'rolled' thread...the rod is acting as a tap and cutting away needed material. A brand new nut can be ruined on its first threading if that burr cuts into the material. I have always, and still do, recommend that the rod be 'kissed' good on a buffing wheel if that's the gremlin that's giving you fits. It will burnish off sharp edges and allow the new tuner to 'upset' properly rather than be 'tapped'. With 'tapping' there is no 'pre-load' and the nut immediately 'cuts' and will therefore be loose. With the burnished-over 'peaks', the nut will necessarily be forced to conform to the rod. That provides it with the 'pre-load/upset' necessary to provide enough friction to keep it tight on the rod. The rod could also be too short. If you're trying to use this poor nut with only two or three threads holding onto the rod, it simply hasn't got enough material engaged to go the extra mile. There should be absolutely no less than 3/8" or 7/16" of nut screwed onto the rod for proper results. If you have much less than that, it will fail at some point. Most George L's tuners have at least .720" of 'hole' depth in them which is more than enough 'bite' on a given pullrod. No major manufacturers that I'm aware of take the time to buff off that nasty burr on the very end of the rod. Not picking on anyone here...just conveying that to keep the price of steels reasonable, this very step is deleted from the manufacturing equation for obvious reasons.
If you have a rod that gives you this kind of trouble, it most likely has a bad burr on its very end. A new nut will simply repeat the failed process.
The new nut must be 'upset', not 'tapped'. 'Upset' is a term used in the thread-rolling process.
Hope this helps!!!
I've had guitars in my shop on which the tuners could be turned with your fingers. NOT a good condition.
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