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Topic: Someone explain why Wynn Stewart isn't in the HOF by now |
GaryHoetker
From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 12:43 pm
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What a joke....what a travesty !!
Nobody could deliver a country song better than Wynn. In fact, the great Ralph Mooney who backed Wynn, Buck, Merle and Waylon, said Wynn "was the best of them all".
C'mon get with it. |
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c c johnson
From: killeen,tx usa * R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 1:38 pm
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I agree. Maybe Winn did like Carl Smith and walked off at the top and ticked alot of people off for doing his own thing. Maybe Winns day is coming as they finaly put Carl in. cc |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 2:19 pm
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Hello Gary Hoetker,What HOF do you think " Wynn Stewart " should be in? Than,I'll explan why he's not in. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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GaryHoetker
From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 3:02 pm
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Leo:
The Country Music Hall of Fame, is what I meant.
Thanks. |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 8:02 pm
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Hey Gary Hoetker,Are you talking about the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville,Tnn. or in Bakersfield,California? Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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Clyde Mattocks
From: Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 8:45 pm
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While Wynn is certainly deserving and is one of my all time favorites, it would probably be a hard sell to the powers that be, because he was not the hit maker,in sheer numbers of top ten records, that others of his day were. You had the first group of inductees, the pioneers so to speak, who had an easier ride in. By the time Wynn came along, the
field was pretty crowded with very capable singers.
In the same dilema would be artists like Gene Watson, Vern Gosdin....fill in the blanks. _________________ LeGrande II, Nash. 112, Fender Twin Tone Master, Session 400, Harlow Dobro, R.Q.Jones Dobro |
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Terry Winter
From: Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 14 Jul 2008 9:00 pm
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If I remember correctly the Wilburn Brothers are not part of the Hall of Fame either. In their day they were very much power players!
Terry |
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Greg Cutshaw
From: Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2008 4:31 am
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Wynn was one of my very favorite recording artists. Having seen him in person, I'd have to say that, although he was a great singer, he was not a great entertainer. He did not have the stage personality or charisma of any of the greats or even near greats. What he had on record just did not translate well into a live performance. I know this thread is supposed to be in praise of Wynn, and he was a tremendous singer. He did not however have all of the tools, the complete performer package that the greats have had. Therefore his impact, IMHO, was mostly on record.
You asked the question, and I gave one possible answer. In my mind a hall of famer has to have more impact to the music business. Being a great singer is a start. Being also a great entertainer, a great writer, a great producer, a pioneer in the distribution of records (Ernest Tubb), an Opry star, etc. add a lot to one's hall of fame credentials. I think the analogy to Gene Watson is correct. Maybe if a great singer/entertainer like Faron Young makes the Hall, then people like Wynn should get in.
(I know this will not be a very popular post)
Greg
Last edited by Greg Cutshaw on 15 Jul 2008 7:01 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Joe Casey
From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 15 Jul 2008 5:25 am
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I wouldn't say that Wynn wasn't in the mix in fact Wynn was one of Merles Idols and friends and had a big part in Merles first hit record which Wynn wrote."Sing a Sad song" which would have probably made it to #1 if Wynn had done it at that time..Being myself a Californian I got to see and hear Wynn many times and even a stint at the old Nashville Nevada club in Vegas..thanx too "Biddy".Certainly Wynn belongs in any true Country Music Hall of fame,he was nationally known even if the Challenge Label wasn't...Imagine among the names that also don't hang on the HOF wall...Gene Watson...Politics my friends don't belong in the Hall...True Stars do..Imagine the hard time Faron,Webb and even Merle and Ray Price were late entries before some who couldn't carry their guitar cases.... |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 15 Jul 2008 7:40 am
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I discovered Wynn Stewart late. He's at the top of my list. Tremendous country singer. |
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Jerry Hayes
From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 15 Jul 2008 8:43 am
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I've always thought it was because of the hostilities between Nashville and the west coast. Some say there weren't any but we all know that's not true. It's true that Wynn wasn't the showman that Buck or Merle was but you can't take away his vocal abilities. When I first got out of the army and was trying to make a living playing guitar in SoCal in the early sixties, all of the singers were doing Wynn Stewart tunes and the radio (KFOX and others) were playing the fire out of his records.
Half the singers in LA were phrasing like Wynn and the steel players were trying to play like Ralph Mooney and if there wasn't a steeler in the band, the lead players were trying to play Ralph's licks on guitar, I know I was!
He should be in the Country Music Hall of Fame without a doubt! If he'd have been based in Nashville he'd have been in long ago! Just my opinion.........JH in Va. _________________ Don't matter who's in Austin (or anywhere else) Ralph Mooney is still the king!!! |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2008 11:19 am
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FWIW, Wynn Stewart lived in Nashville from 1973 until his death in 1985 at the age of 51. |
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Jerry Hayes
From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 16 Jul 2008 7:36 am
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b0b, that was after his "glory years" and he wasn't having any hits..........JH in Va. _________________ Don't matter who's in Austin (or anywhere else) Ralph Mooney is still the king!!! |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2008 7:11 pm
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About this Topic on " Wynn Stewart ".He(Wynn) should be in the Kern County Museum for some reason everybody thinks it's the Bakersfield Museum. And,most of all, he(Wynn)should have been in The Academy of Country Music Museum!, if they had one. With out the Public support of causing a mental emotional disorder to the legal treatment of getting The heads of The Academy of Country Music that " Mr. Wynn Stewart " himself was a big part of building with his name and support,Just like myself(Leo) and so many others out here in California's Neighborhoods and across this Nation with respect, what Nashville is in control of Today.With that said,You need to get on the Country Music Hall of Fame heads in the legal matter of E-Mail or letters. Mr.Wynn Stewart was a vital part of bring Country Music to Las Vegas home name Sin City before what they do with it now in todays world of Country Music. The significant authortities could care less about how we(I) feel with what they are doing to the old Musicians of History,to them it's the past. And it's them old Musicians & Artist who gave them the right to do good. Not to humiliate & dis-respect by there own self-denial,Ego.This is Just how I feel as " I'm A No Body " prayering this new world of young men & women to make the legal contracts right and not be stupid or very foolish about it. RIP:Mr.Wynn Stewart. > Sincerely in Country Music & all styles,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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Tracy Sheehan
From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2008 7:57 pm Wynn Stewart
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Wynn did have a sense of humor.I played with him for a while after he left Long beach and went on the road.We played a few weeks in down town San Fransisco.Strickly jazz joints.Country music did not sell there.The jazz musicians would come in on thier breaks and make fun of us.
We were in a beautiful club across from the Purple Onion where the Smothers Bros got thier start.The largest crowd we ever had was about 6 people one Sat night.Wynn told them he loved playing there as they were the largest crowd we ever played for.
I asked the owner one night how he could afford the top bands at the time he booked in.To my surprise he told me he loved country music,but if the place ever started making money he would get rid of it.I asked him why and he told me his money was in oil and he used the place as a tax write off.
Another example that truth can at times be stranger than ficton.
Wynn was great to work for.Every night when we got off i would go shoot pool with him until day light at an all night pool hall.He was a very unhappy man and had personal problems which which would serve no purpose to go in to.
I always tried to never be name dropper and the many things the artist i worked for told me,stayed with me. |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2008 8:24 pm
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Just think Tracy Sheehan,no body can steal what you got from " Wynn Stwart ",your memories of one on one. We are all just some " Mothers " baby. Sincerely in Country Music,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. PS: I have some great memories with Mr. Wynn Stewart also. |
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Tracy Sheehan
From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 17 Jul 2008 2:57 am Reply.
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E.J.you are so right.I have some great memories.A Little more triva about Wynn.A few years later i was working with a great band with an out of the world girl singer.We were playing in some town in Ariz.and Wynn was workinmg across the street.This was in the early 70s as i recall.
Wynn would come over to where we were playing on his breaks and stay the rest
of the night.Of course this didn't make the club owner where he was booked very happy.Wynmn liked our band and loved the girls singing.He sure had no ego problem.
All of us who heard /and either worked for him thought he was the greatest.
BTW.He would tell our girl singer to sing a blues number which she didn't know all the worde to.He would tell her.,lets make the words up as we go.They did.Bet many don't know Wynn could sing great blues.He could sing any thing.
I still doubt many are aware of the talent he had.He could sing any style. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 17 Jul 2008 1:55 pm
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I don't know if there is any explanation for it. |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2008 9:29 am
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Hey Barry Blackwood,if you were a part of the real History of " Wynn Stewart's " you would understand the overtone of what it is most don't know or understand about the Music Business Industry Life at Wynn gave them. LJ |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 19 Jul 2008 4:38 pm
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Someone explain why Wynn Stewart isn't in the HOF... |
Well, he only had one #1 record ("Pretty World"), he only had a few other hits of his own, and he spent most all of his career outside of Nashville. I think that was the three strikes against him back in the day. He was a very talented singer and writer, but the Nashville clique apparently wasn't all that receptive to outside folks (including the Bakersfield talent).
In music, as in so many other other pursuits, if you're not on the "inside track", you're out. |
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Janice Brooks
From: Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 19 Jul 2008 6:46 pm
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The ballot for 2009 will be one general vote, one post 1975 and instramentalist
My choices would be Hank Lochlan, Asleep At the Wheel and Bob Moore |
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LJ Eiffert
From: California, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2008 8:10 pm
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Hello Janice Brooks,Now I think my good ole buddy " Ray Benson " & his " Asleep At The Wheel " gets short changed like my buddies,The Bellamy Brothers.How Come? Also,I think " Hoyt Axton " should be in there too! Okay who's got answers? Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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Ron Page
From: Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2008 8:39 am
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I think Donnie has hit on it. I was wondering how many #1's Wynn had. If he only had one then that doesn't seem to equate to a HOF career. Plus it's probably true that Wynn was not in Nashville enough to kiss Mr. Acuff's ring.
As far has Wynn or anyone else being better than Merle Haggard, well we can continue that discussion In My Next Life. _________________ HagFan
Emmons Lashley LeGrande II |
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Billy Tonnesen
From: R.I.P., Buena Park, California
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Posted 23 Jul 2008 5:11 pm "After The Storm"
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Somewhere on cassette tape I have a copy of Wynn Stewart singing "After The Storm". This was recorded almost in a crossover style. No Steel Guitar, but with "strings" and back up Vocal Group.
In MHO I think it was one of Wynn's finest vocal renditions of a song. Wynn had a unique voice and I always knew when he was singing on a record. I knew Wynn when he started out in L.A. as a teenager when his mother would bring him to the dances and we would have him sing for us. |
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