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Topic: Sneaky Pete copedent |
Eric Stumpf
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Newbury, NH 03255
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 5:23 am |
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| Just bought a super clean and unmolested Fender 400 with 6 pedals. I thought I'd set it up with Sneaky Pete's copedent but despite my best efforts to use the Forum's search feature, I came up empty handed. Would someone please be kind enough to post it for me? |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 5:43 am
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| Click on "Links" at the top of this page. Then click on "Copedents" at the top of that page. Scroll down to "Unusual tunings". Sneaky Pete's copedent is listed there. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 8:53 am
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ebb
From:
nj
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 7:29 pm
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| imho depending on the # of pedals i had on my fender i would add sneakys copendant in this order. p2 p3 p7 p8 p6 p1 p5 p4. i know most would do p1 p2 p7 p8 but p1 unisons s4 and s3 as well as s8 and s7. also the tuning could be played with no pedals |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 8:11 pm
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Ed makes a good point about the unison notes, but they never seemed to be an issue for Pete - and the pedals 1&2 essentially give you the "A&B" pedals of E9 and the ankle rock, but down a 4th. 5 & 6 I like nex to each other for a diminished chord, and 7 with the right foot works great with 1&2 on the left for "stringbender" type licks.
I've messed with several versions (the nice thing about Fenders is changes can be made almost instantly), including another sequence Russ Tkac uses, but haven't found ne that works better for me (at least) than the one Pete ended up with once he added the knees in the 70's - except for pedal 9, which is an experiment he didn't even use!
The funny thing with Pete is he didn't know theory - talked in geometric terms: " these turn it 90 degrees, and then this on brings it back around 45 degrees..." He explained it all to me once after a gig when I know nothing about steel and it made my head spin!
Ed's the theory expert though, and knows how it works inside out - I just know how it works for my ear and hands. As far as "no pedals" - I have the top-6 strings on my Ric lap steel and it's really fun to play. I've mentioned before I also have a version Ed and Paul Redmond worked out for my GFI 3+4; I can post it later if anyone wants it(it's not on this computer)
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1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Moon in Alaska
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Kasilof, Alaska * R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 8:30 pm
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The relationship of the strings to each other is exactly the same as B0b's 8 string E6th tuning with the exception of the 7th string.....Sneaky has a 6th tone there and B0b has a 7th tone...
Moon
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Eric Stumpf
From:
Newbury, NH 03255
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Posted 14 Jun 2008 4:17 am
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| Thank you all for your responses. After viewing the copedent , I wonder if it 's worth trying with only 6 pedals and no knee levers. I'm very familiar with various 6th tunings so that's why I thought Pete's tuning would appeal to me. |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 14 Jun 2008 7:26 am
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Mine started with 6 pedals but I've added three. |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 14 Jun 2008 7:32 am
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 14 Jun 2008 8:49 am
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If I was going to set it up with just 6 pedals I'd probably (based on what I seem to use the most) use 1,2,3,7,8 and put the LK change on #6.
It gets you most of the basic changes and the things I hear Pete using most often (he did not have the LK on the first couple Burrito records but once he added it sued it quite a bit). It also is a version that keeps you from having to make any modifications to the guitar - like adding knees or installing barrel tuners and stops for double-raises or lowers.
Plus you can set it up in about 10 minutes! You could switch the order around to whatever makes the most sense for your playing, since unlike most steels you don't have a bunch of rods to re-set, allen screws to loosen to take things apart, etc. Just loosen the turnbuckles. move the loops, retighten and fine-tune if necessary.
But again, I find that the 1&2 pedals together get a lot of the Sneaky sound - playing the "unison" string instead of what would be a pull just doesn't have the same "expressiveness" to me.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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