| Who's the most controversial PSG player out there? |
| Susan Alcorn |
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13% |
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| Jerry Garcia |
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26% |
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| Daniel Lanois |
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5% |
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| Robert Randolph |
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40% |
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| Other |
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14% |
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Topic: Most controversial PSG player Poll |
Twayn Williams
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Portland, OR
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 1:21 pm |
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Please feel free to add your reasons 
NOTE: this topic is for FUN, some of you folks are taking thing way to seriously 'round these here parts!
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Edward Meisse
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 2:16 pm
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Is there really a need for me to address the reasons why it's Jerry Garcia? Do a search of the forum and see for yourself. Nobody else comes close.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 3:04 pm
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| I think it would be far more constructive and informative to concentrate on the positive things that brings us together as steel players rather than CONTOVERSY. I fail to see how this subject is either relevant or a positive contribution to the Forum. |
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Ole Dantoft
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Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 3:15 pm
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This kind of post is one of the reasons why I stopped using this forum as a source of steel-guitar information !
Ole |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 3:28 pm
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| I agree Ole. |
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Greg Simmons
From:
where the buffalo (used to) roam AND the Mojave
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 3:47 pm
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Hey, the above musicians (well ok, Jerry - from a physical point - notwithstanding) would make a great set at one of the steel shows - or maybe there needs to be an ICSGC: Int' Controversial Steel Guitar Convention
oh yeah, maybe apply some >>>  <<< to the poll eh 
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 3:52 pm
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Controversy doesn't always have to be a bad thing. Certainly it has not generally been constructive as it pertains to Jerry Garcia. But it did lead to a discussion on the forum of the two aspects of musicianship, which are technical skill and audience appeal. I don't know of the controversy surrounding the others. Many times a player can be controversial because of a new way of doing things, from either a musical or business standpoint, that I may be interested in. I won't be turned off by controversy of that sort. It is only when things turn to personal and/or lifestyle issues that I would join with Kevin and Ole in condemning it wholeheartedly.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 4:07 pm
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I think controversy certainly centered around Jerry, but he wasn't the cause of it - his fans were. Some made him a god and put him on a pedestal, and then were disheartened and defensive when others didn't agree.
In the glitz world of show business, many stars make a conscious effort to become controversial. In the world of steel players, though, they just go on playing music the only way they know how, and it's the fans who are the ones who start the controversies.
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 4:52 pm
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| Ole Dantoft wrote: |
This kind of post is one of the reasons why I stopped using this forum as a source of steel-guitar information !
Ole |
Ole, I disagreed with this thread and therefor I didn't participate. But I feel that your tough stand is too extreme. Well, of course you are your own boss and I will not try and tell you what to do. But to quit using this great forum because of disagreeable posts like this one is denying yourself a lot of good information and learning and also denying yourself the brotherhood and the great feeling of friendship. Because, face it, 99% of the contributions here are great and useful to one person or the other, and even 100's of people.
I hope you will re-consider your stand.
Sincerely
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 5:21 pm RR
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Sorry, but being kinda new and a bit curious, why is Robert Randolph controversial. Who is Susan Alcorn and what has she done to be controversial? I remeber vividly when the Beatles and Elvis were controversial
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 6:07 pm
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I'm wondering the same thing, Robert. As I said earlier, I'm wondering whether these are worthwhile controversies or just gossip. 
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Twayn Williams
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Portland, OR
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 8:21 pm
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I've noticed in the past that there are certain players that are sure to raise the hackles of some and create ardent defenders of others:
Susan Alcorn - for her fearless approach to noise, microtonality and free time, and not playing country.
Jerry Garcia - for (apparently) daring to play the holy instrument poorly on occasion and being popular and not playing country.
Daniel Lanois - for playing with a limited palette and not like a country player.
Robert Randolph - for being so flashy and not playing country and for being popular!
But seemingly, the above players worst sin is not trying to sound like Buddy Emmons or Lloyd Green or (insert favorite country steeler here) and being successful at it. How dare they!! I'm fully outraged!!!! Call the PSG police!!!!!! Mandatory prison sentences for those who dare touch the holiest of holies without being a virtuoso!!!!! Death to the infidels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quick, more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Twayn Williams
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Portland, OR
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 8:29 pm Re: RR
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| Robert Harper wrote: |
| Sorry, but being kinda new and a bit curious, why is Robert Randolph controversial. Who is Susan Alcorn and what has she done to be controversial? I remeber vividly when the Beatles and Elvis were controversial |
Sorry, the quick and dirty answer is to do a forum search on those names. Check out this youtube of Susan and you might understand why she can be a controversial performer. For myself, I love what Susan does, but I'm less interested in RR.
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 8:36 pm
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| Ole Dantoft wrote: |
This kind of post is one of the reasons why I stopped using this forum as a source of steel-guitar information !
Ole |
Yea right. Like you have someplace else to get this kind of info on the Steel Guitar. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 9:00 pm
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I voted for Robert Randoph. Susan is certainly the most adventurous of all steel players, (as well as my personal favorite) but people who don't like her music pretty much dismiss her. She never ignited passionate hatred here the way RR did at first.
Things have quieted down now, and Randolph has now gained a measure of acceptance over here, but it was not that way a few years ago.
I think he is the most controversial.
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John P. Phillips
From:
Folkston, Ga. U.S.A., R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 9:30 pm
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| Twayn Williams wrote: |
| Call the PSG police!!!!!! Mandatory prison sentences for those who dare touch the holiest of holies without being a virtuoso!!!!! Death to the infidels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quick, more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Twayn, you just won't do ! you're as crazy as my friends say that I am lol.
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 9:32 pm
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Thanks y'all. I get it, now. I don't necessarily like what these folks are doing. But I'm glad they're doing it. Until the instrument gets active in all styles of music, people are going to continue to pigeon hole it. And it won't be taken seriously. The catalogues mostly sell steels of all kinds as, "Folk," instuments. I don't really think that's where we want to be. That's for 5 stringed banjos and dulcimers.
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 10:02 pm
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Just wish I was either good enough OR bad enough to be controversial,at least I would have people talking about me.I just resign to remaining anonymous,At least my dog DIXIE BELLE loves my playing,she starts howling when I start playing.DYKBC.
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Duane Reese
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 10:19 pm
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The reason these players are controversial goes way beyond steel guitar. They are figureheads; they inadvertently represent the steel guitar community's own little slice of a broader culture war, presently coming to a boiling point.
They are used like weapons, sometimes by people who don't like them, sometimes by people who do like them, to afflict damage to the other side, the "bad guys".
Good thing it is forum policy that this culture war can't be taken beyond the scope of steel and music here, because I'm sure it would (and has). |
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 8 Jun 2008 11:17 pm
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There should be no discussions about steel players at all, except outright gladhanding. In fact, all disagreement and controversy should be simply abolished. This will absolutely assure a steady flow of useful and accurately vetted information about the steel guitar and its players on this forum.
Of course, there are no controversial steel guitar players. We all know that every forum member has full respect and admiration for anybody who picks up a bar and picks. |
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Bob Simons
From:
Kansas City, Mo, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2008 4:30 am
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THis discussion is skirting the issues that frustrate me most about the steel guitar community. Having come late to steel guitar I found it to be an overwhelmingly narrow-minded community. While steelers are supportive and generous among their like-minded brethren, I was shocked when year after year at Scotty's show I heard only the same stuff over and over and over. I don't think a new lick has been added in 40 years. However wonderful this music is/was, (I gave up classical guitar because I did not want to be a curator of music!) it's time to move on fellas...
Most telling of all at the Convention was the Fessendon display with large, proud photographs of a few minor and forgotten Texas swingers and NO MENTION OF ROBERT RANDOLPH!!! Also to be noted, no sign of Sacred Steel (white gospel represented, no black gospel at all) no blues, no rock, no ambient, no nothing except Johnny what's-his-name croaking out endless versions of "Whiskey River" at the expense of taking attention away from Buddy Emmons. Need I elaborate further?
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Charlie McDonald
From:
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Posted 9 Jun 2008 5:13 am
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In an ideal world, none of these musicians would be controversial, they would be called pioneers.
I find Susan to be the most adventurous. Every instrument has borders, and she always pushes the envelope.
The others--what's that hippie/outre/flashy and popular guy doing to our instrument? Is the controversy their popularity?
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Charley Wilder
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Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2008 7:19 am
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| Thanks y'all. I get it, now. I don't necessarily like what these folks are doing. But I'm glad they're doing it. |
Me too. The pedal steel has been one dimensional too long. It is not "owned" by Country Music. Country has had a stangle hold on the instrument since day one and a breath, or breaths, of fresh air is long over due! I couldn't care less about E9 and what's coming out of Nashville. I have a right to say that, after all. The instrument needs all the fresh approachs it can find! |
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2008 7:25 am
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| The fact that ANY steel player is "controversial" is both funny and sad...but no surprise I guess. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2008 7:57 am
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What Twayne and Bob and Charles said.
I've been told several times I should go to "The Convention" (in capital letters) - and the post above describing it is, other than time/expense, why I have no interest in going, even if it was at the L.A. Convention Center.
"Told" is also a carefully chosen word.
I'd say a lot more, but someone would undoubtedly post the little pic of the guy beating the dead horse.
When that kind of stuff stops happening, there won't be a desire to post more...or for threads like this to exist. That would be nice.
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