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Topic: Daniel Lanois on NPR |
Todd Pertll
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Mike Poholsky
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Posted 5 Jun 2008 9:25 pm |
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I'll post this again, its worth it. Very cool piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9yXDQaX8BI
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richard burton
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:11 am
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His proficiency on the pedal steel seems to be very basic.
He has little control over his volume pedal, and no ability to block.
Is he a beginner ? |
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Dave Ristrim
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:19 am
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It seems to me that Mr. Lanois plays pedal steel the way he wants to play it. Not the way other people play it, or think it should be played. If we all played the instrument the "correct" way, according to some, there would just be a few thousand Buddy Emmons playing steel.
Not trying to slam anyone, but this type of topic (or sub-topic) comes up and I just don't understand why. Sorry for the rant.
Back to the actual topic of the thread. Yes, I sure do like Daniel Lanois' playing. Very understated and unique. Thanks for the link.
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richard burton
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:28 am
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| I maintain that he hasn't been playing very long |
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Dave Ristrim
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:37 am
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Hi Richard, I don't know how long he's been playing steel so I won't disagree with you. I do think that no matter how long he plays steel, it will be quirky.
My last post was a little harsh, I apologize for that.
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Greg Vincent
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:52 am
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Quote from Richard Burton:
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His proficiency on the pedal steel seems to be very basic.
He has little control over his volume pedal, and no ability to block. |
That's what I'VE been SCREAMING!  |
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Larry Bell
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 6:54 am
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right on, Dave
Musicality and creativity are not always accompanied by the highest degree of technical ability
(but when you combine all three you get Buddy Emmons)
Did I say that????
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Steve English
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Steve Norman
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Seattle Washington, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 7:47 am
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Hes not trying to play country,,Its okay to step out of the box,,and he is reaching an audience different from what a lot of steel players are reaching. If he was playing truck driving man it would be different, but hes not.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 8:16 am
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One link on UTube has Brian Eno saying of Daniel that when he comes to a session, the level of ability present automatically goes up.
I happen to like it.
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Greg Vincent
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 8:50 am
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No question DL is a very talented guy.
I just don't equate poor technique & limited ability with innovation.
I think on some instruments amateurism can be fun and kinda charming. On PSG it just makes for lousy noises, to my ears.
Guitarists who "dabble" in steel guitar, with very few exceptions (Skunk Baxter is one) usually sound exactly like what they are: dabblers.
Rightly or wrongly, I kind of get offended when people think they can play PSG "on the side" and do justice to this most beautiful-sounding of instruments.
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Twayn Williams
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:13 am
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| Greg Vincent wrote: |
Rightly or wrongly, I kind of get offended when people think they can play PSG "on the side" and do justice to this most beautiful-sounding of instruments.
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Dude, give it a rest 
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Joel Meredith
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:22 am
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| I agree with Twayn. Who cares how great or not you are if you're playing something that fits the song. Brian Jones and George Harrison wern't virtuosos at the sitar, but they made some classic recordings that sounded pretty good... |
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Steve Norman
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:24 am
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dont forget your tastes are relative,,a lot of people like it.
IMHO he is trying to sound like that,,accomplishing exactly what he wants. If you hear his non-steel stuff it has the same feeling. If he played what he is playing super tight and clean I think it would be boring. The roughness is in my opinion artistically relevant.
Its like apples and oranges here,,not comparable.
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Mike Poholsky
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:30 am
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No problem, just close your eyes and listen! LOL! I like it that way too! Although, I miss the shoes that way.
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Ben Jones
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Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:31 am
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I just love all the hate for guitarists. Bring it on!
we are out of tune
we hog all your parts
we never stop playing
we are too loud
we dabble on your instrument defiling its purity in a futile attempt to aspire to your lofty thrones.
we drank your last beer and are the reason you havent received your Bush Bux yet
etc.etc. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 10:22 am
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Yes, we've got to stop this instrument dabbling.
Imagine, guitar players learning peddle steal!
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Greg Vincent
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 10:52 am
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No fair -- the Northwest is ganging up on me!  |
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Alex McCollough
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Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 11:10 am
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I saw Daniel Lanois last year here in Nashville. It was a show where the room was filled with all types of musicians, producers, etc. The entire audience was spellbound and it completely blew me away.
If your reference point for steel guitar talent and proficiency is "Another Bridge To Burn", then it may not have the same effect on you (and, honestly, you should probably broaden your horizons...it's not going to hurt).
Thelonious Monk didn't play anything like Glenn Gould, and he wasn't a lesser pianist for it.
If he's touring the world and selling out shows, that's pretty professional in my book. |
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Steve Norman
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 12:04 pm
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Well Ben,,you guys are! 
But I like DL!
Greg maybe the playing matches the rainy mood up here...sun is for the weak!
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Ben Jones
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 12:24 pm
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| Steve Norman wrote: |
Well Ben,,you guys are!
But I like DL!
Greg maybe the playing matches the rainy mood up here...sun is for the weak! |
I know. I was just funnin with y'all.
Actually guitar players are even worse than all the bad things I mentioned...we'll steal your girlfriends too
DL on steel doesnt do much for me, just doesnt ring my bell. If it did I'd have no problem with however he acheived it, be that thru exceptional trad technique or playing with boxing gloves on. |
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Mike Benzschawel
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madison wi
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 2:20 pm daniel lanois
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hey fellas...gotta stick up for mr lanois. i saw him play a couple of years ago with tortoise and he played a bunch of solo psg songs. he's the reason why i picked up the steel. he may not have the technical ability of curley chalker, but he's always interesting and pushing the envelope. to me that's more intriguing than someone playing a standard country tune we've all heard many times (not that it doesn't have it's place). after all, many of the old blues guitarists were very rough technically but they played so soulfully and raw that they inspired the eric claptons/jimmy pages etc, who then went on to make even more wonderful music. i just feel that there's alot to say for soul and originality. just my two cents..  |
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Ben Hoare
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 9:12 pm Re: daniel lanois
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| Mike Benzschawel wrote: |
| hey fellas...gotta stick up for mr lanois. i saw him play a couple of years ago with tortoise and he played a bunch of solo psg songs. he's the reason why i picked up the steel. he may not have the technical ability of curley chalker, but he's always interesting and pushing the envelope. to me that's more intriguing than someone playing a standard country tune we've all heard many times (not that it doesn't have it's place). |
here ,here Mike.
This is an interesting thread!!
Lanois was an early influence for me to and still is in many ways he has a great sensibility for music as a whole rather than just the instrument hes playing, he plays guitar the same way,quite different to standard.And though his way of playing is not traditional I dont find his sound offensive.I think its a shame that we have to tightly box things in technique because it stops us from venturing elsewhere and causes our playing to become more of a finger sport rather than music.Ive seen guys with great technique play but be incredibley boring because they dont listen or repeat themselves to often.Thats not a reason to have bad tecnique and doesnt excuse bad pitch,timing,tone etc.I think it is amazing to watch Paul Franklin,Buddy E,Hal Rugg and others and be dazzled by both there technique and music but there is room for the Lanoi's, Randolphs and Leisz's of this world who challenge us to re assess the way things are done and sometimes take our instrument or art somewhere new.without them there'd be no Bill monroe's ,Miles Davis,Charlie Parkers , Johnny Cash etc.All of whom did something new which has now become an institution. I agree with Mike everything has its place
Sorry for the long winded rant but I couldnt help myself.
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Roger Shackelton
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Posted 6 Jun 2008 10:23 pm
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Daniel Lanois's style isn't my "Cup of Tea" either, but if we all copied the greats we would be playing like BEETHOVEN or Lawrence Welk. 
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